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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Filabot vs. Filastruder]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/32125/#p32125</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>OSPrinting wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>On the topic of running recycled plastic, we have made filament using 10% and 20% regrind ABS. We have about 200 pounds of the stuff so we just started experimenting with it. The 10% printed just fine and there were no issues. My phone case is made with this stuff and it is still going strong. I have not printed with the 20% yet. </p><p>There are a few issues with recycled filament. <br />1. Contaminates as mentioned before. This depends on your source or how clean the plastic is.<br />2. The type of ABS. This can be an issue because most Filastruders are running MG94 ABS plastic. This is a high melt flow(MFI) plastic that allows for fast print speeds. So your recycled plastic could have a higher MFI or lower. This can create issue when printing. This is why I think the % of natural to regrind has to stay small. <br />3. Plastic has a heat memory and degrades over time. The more heat cycles done on a plastic, the shorter the polymer chains get. In extrusion this is important because you are pulling the plastic as it comes out. Unlike injection molding where the plastic can expand into a cavity. I would expect the more regrind you use, the more fragile the filament will get. PLA degrades naturally and heat cycles will only speed up this process.</p><p>I know people want to do 100% recycled but at this point I feel anything is a step in the right direction. </p><p>Rob</p></blockquote></div><p>Did you guys order the recycled plastic or make it yourselves?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 22:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Filabot vs. Filastruder]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/32113/#p32113</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>michael.t.albers wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Side note: let me know when you do the kickstarter!&nbsp; I missed the filastruder by a month and still looking to get one.</p></blockquote></div><p>No more Kickstarters - just straight orders from here on out. Are you on the wait list? If not, shoot an email to filastruder@gmail.com.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (elmoret)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 21:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>elmoret wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>They can. The Filastruder wouldn&#039;t mind a bit. The problem is the introduction of dirt and dust that could clog your printer nozzle. Really, a filament extruder needs melt filtering to do recycling well. I have one in alpha testing <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p></blockquote></div><p>Sounds exciting.&nbsp; Looking forward to seeing the results when you post them.</p><p>Side note: let me know when you do the kickstarter!&nbsp; I missed the filastruder by a month and still looking to get one.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 21:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Filabot vs. Filastruder]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/32108/#p32108</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>On the topic of running recycled plastic, we have made filament using 10% and 20% regrind ABS. We have about 200 pounds of the stuff so we just started experimenting with it. The 10% printed just fine and there were no issues. My phone case is made with this stuff and it is still going strong. I have not printed with the 20% yet. </p><p>There are a few issues with recycled filament. <br />1. Contaminates as mentioned before. This depends on your source or how clean the plastic is.<br />2. The type of ABS. This can be an issue because most Filastruders are running MG94 ABS plastic. This is a high melt flow(MFI) plastic that allows for fast print speeds. So your recycled plastic could have a higher MFI or lower. This can create issue when printing. This is why I think the % of natural to regrind has to stay small. <br />3. Plastic has a heat memory and degrades over time. The more heat cycles done on a plastic, the shorter the polymer chains get. In extrusion this is important because you are pulling the plastic as it comes out. Unlike injection molding where the plastic can expand into a cavity. I would expect the more regrind you use, the more fragile the filament will get. PLA degrades naturally and heat cycles will only speed up this process.</p><p>I know people want to do 100% recycled but at this point I feel anything is a step in the right direction. </p><p>Rob</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 19:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/32102/#p32102</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>They can. The Filastruder wouldn&#039;t mind a bit. The problem is the introduction of dirt and dust that could clog your printer nozzle. Really, a filament extruder needs melt filtering to do recycling well. I have one in alpha testing <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (elmoret)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 18:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/32099/#p32099</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>What about re-cycling all of the miscellaneous objects that one creates, especially when getting started. I have heard that 90% of everything one prints is essentially waste. The materials would be known could they be ground up and reused?</p><p>Ralph</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 18:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/32096/#p32096</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Awesome man. That&#039;s music to my ears. I&#039;m saving off some funds to get one of &#039;em so keep us posted. <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 17:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, and to my knowledge he still hasn&#039;t shipped any of the Kickstarter units.</p><p>Looks like Filastruder is on pace to finish up the Kickstarter kits later this week, and launch the store next week. I&#039;ve already bulk ordered necessary parts for the kits. <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (elmoret)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 17:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Filabot just sent me an email for Pre-sale of the &quot;Filabot Wee&quot; <br />- $650!?!?!<br />- There&#039;s no improvements. <br />- $300 more than the KS kit version?!?<br />- $200 more than the Extrusion bot that is wayyyy faster and spools.</p><p>elmoret you better get more of your Filastruder&#039;s ready because I think he just brought you more business.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 17:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/30336/#p30336</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>ellieli0630 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>So where do all the plastic cans and bottles go after being recycled? Is there a local place that I can contact?</p></blockquote></div><p>Plastic is typically downcycled.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downcycling">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downcycling</a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2013 19:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Filabot vs. Filastruder]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/30321/#p30321</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Charles_Xavier wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Relevant on 3D printing recycled plastics:<br /><a href="http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2021384035_3dboatxml.html">http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/ … atxml.html</a></p></blockquote></div><p>This works because they&#039;re using a big fat nozzle, probably a couple millimeters. Contaminants aren&#039;t an issue at this size nozzle.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2013 17:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/30320/#p30320</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Here is a listing of the USA Recycle symbols:<br /><a href="http://gettheworkdone.net/images/recycle/Symbols.swf">http://gettheworkdone.net/images/recycle/Symbols.swf</a></p><p>ABS falls in symbol 7 but all symbol 7&#039;s are not ABS.</p><p>Some containers show the symbol plus number and the plastic.</p><p>Ralph</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2013 16:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>They are usually collected by your local trash company. </p><p>In my area a company called waste management collects them once a week and melts them blocks and sells them back to manufacturers. They are then converted into solid plastic items like park benches and the like. Plastic is easy to recycle but the products you get or are little more difficult to deal with.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2013 16:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Relevant on 3D printing recycled plastics:<br /><a href="http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2021384035_3dboatxml.html">http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/ … atxml.html</a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2013 16:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>So where do all the plastic cans and bottles go after being recycled? Is there a local place that I can contact?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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