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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Heat bed tolerance?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>IronMan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Ok...looks like the rods are glued in place.&nbsp; Scrap that idea.&nbsp; Try this:</p></blockquote></div><p>Hey, IronMan! Thanks for taking your time to help me out! Will try it out over the weekend.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 21:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Heat bed tolerance?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Ok...looks like the rods are glued in place.&nbsp; Scrap that idea.&nbsp; Try this:</p><p>Drop the Z-axis enough to put 3 small machine screw nuts on the bed on a wide triangle to create a 3-point support.&nbsp; Don&#039;t heat the bed.</p><p>Put a pc of 2mm glass on the nuts and make sure there is no rocking.&nbsp; Now bring the indicator (attached to the carriage) to touch the glass and make sure all 4 corners are adjusted to the same reading on the dial.</p><p>Now, when you run the X-axis from side to side, that indicator should be almost dead-on.&nbsp; If not, then it is probably your guide rod.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 21:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Heat bed tolerance?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>If the effect is the same with the glass rotated 90 degrees, then that could point to your initial suggestion that you have a bent transverse guide rod.&nbsp; </p><p>I&#039;m not at my &#039;Doodle and I don&#039;t recall how the extruder guide rods are held in place on the side carriers, but see if you can spin the extruder main guide rod 180 degrees.&nbsp; Then if the situation is reversed, there is your answer.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 12:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Heat bed tolerance?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>IronMan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I&#039;m suggesting that your glass may be warped as well; while unlikely due to the manufacturing process of glass, but it could happen...I have seen warped glass...</p></blockquote></div><p>Ah! Sorry for misunderstanding you.</p><p>In this case, I really don&#039;t think the glass is warped. I tried it turned 90 degrees, too. Same result.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 11:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Heat bed tolerance?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>fischelbyxa wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>IronMan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>0.21mm will probably be OK for .3mm printing.&nbsp; For .1mm you might want to consider checking the flatness of your glass, and getting some 0.55mm (or slightly thicker) metal shims to install under the edges of the thermo-pad to help equalize the bed supporting the glass all the way across.&nbsp; Then clip the glass on the upper left corner and frontmost (toward you) left and right corners.</p></blockquote></div><p>Your reply hints that the 4 mm glass is bending by force of gravity alone over a 10 cm length. I need some solid math to believe that to be true.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>IronMan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>BTW, how is the thermal transfer on the 4mm glass?...that seems pretty thick.</p></blockquote></div><p>Not that good. Normal heat up time is ~13 min. It takes ~24 min for the thermostat to indicate 95 C in the bed, but at that time the glass top side is just ~87 C. Ten minutes later, it&#039;s still below 90 C. At that time, I did a test run. It failed: the adhesion was way too low. I guess I&#039;ll have to scrap that idea. Oh, well...</p></blockquote></div><p>I&#039;m suggesting that your glass may be warped as well; while unlikely due to the manufacturing process of glass, but it could happen...I have seen warped glass...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 10:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>dubbsd wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have an SD3 and the bed is warped .015&quot; center to edge so when I tried to use Glass the&nbsp; their was too much air gap between it and the bed. I thought about using thermal paste to fill the gap and permanently mounting the glass.</p></blockquote></div><p>You may want to look at thermal conductivity pads instead of thermal paste. Easier to handle and less messy.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 09:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I have an SD3 and the bed is warped .015&quot; center to edge so when I tried to use Glass the&nbsp; their was too much air gap between it and the bed. I thought about using thermal paste to fill the gap and permanently mounting the glass.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 09:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Heat bed tolerance?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>IronMan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>0.21mm will probably be OK for .3mm printing.&nbsp; For .1mm you might want to consider checking the flatness of your glass, and getting some 0.55mm (or slightly thicker) metal shims to install under the edges of the thermo-pad to help equalize the bed supporting the glass all the way across.&nbsp; Then clip the glass on the upper left corner and frontmost (toward you) left and right corners.</p></blockquote></div><p>Your reply hints that the 4 mm glass is bending by force of gravity alone over a 10 cm length. I need some solid math to believe that to be true.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>IronMan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>BTW, how is the thermal transfer on the 4mm glass?...that seems pretty thick.</p></blockquote></div><p>Not that good. Normal heat up time is ~13 min. It takes ~24 min for the thermostat to indicate 95 C in the bed, but at that time the glass top side is just ~87 C. Ten minutes later, it&#039;s still below 90 C. At that time, I did a test run. It failed: the adhesion was way too low. I guess I&#039;ll have to scrap that idea. Oh, well...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 07:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Heat bed tolerance?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>0.21mm will probably be OK for .3mm printing.&nbsp; For .1mm you might want to consider checking the flatness of your glass, and getting some 0.55mm (or slightly thicker) metal shims to install under the edges of the thermo-pad to help equalize the bed supporting the glass all the way across.&nbsp; Then clip the glass on the upper left corner and frontmost (toward you) left and right corners.</p><p>BTW, how is the thermal transfer on the 4mm glass?...that seems pretty thick.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jun 2013 18:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Heat bed tolerance?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>After mounting a indicator dial on the extruder assembly, I found out the my SD3 heat bed is a ridge with the left and right sides 0.55 mm lower than the center.</p><p>So I got me some glass plates, one of which is a frosted glass mouse pad almost 4 mm thick, the others 2 mm picture frame glass. (Going for frosted glass seems like a smart idea, should give me lots of adhesion?) To get an optimal heat distribution, and to make thermo-contact over the entire heat bed, I placed a thermal conductive pad between the aluminum bed and the glass plate. </p><p>After re-measuring with my indicator dial, I find that it is still not perfectly level. It is still a ridge, but with less difference between the highest and the lowest points: 0.21 mm.</p><p>(25,200)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;(105,200)&nbsp; &nbsp; (185,200)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;-0.03&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;+0.12&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;+0.04</p><p>(25,100)&nbsp; &nbsp; (105,100)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;(185,100)<br />&nbsp; +0.01&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +0.18&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;+0.03</p><p>(25,50)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (105,50)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;(185.50)<br />&nbsp; -0.06&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +0.12&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;-0.03</p><p>My main questions are: What are the required tolerances for the heat bed? Is 0.21 mm difference too much or will I be fine with this?</p><p>Another question is: I&#039;m still getting a ridge, with clips holding the glass in the center only. I that indicative of bent rods? Or is there some other explanation?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jun 2013 17:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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