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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Got it.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2015 23:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Backlash, Hysterisis and Wobble; an exploration of the topic]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>wardjr wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>In theory, yes.&nbsp; In practice, no.<br />That well nut has thousands of hours on it and I keep it properly lubed.&nbsp; Since the threads in the well nut are brass (rod and other nut are steel) they will be the first to go.&nbsp; &nbsp;I just pulled the well nut off and the threads look great.&nbsp; I would guess the rest of that printer will be in the garbage before I wear out any of the threads.&nbsp; Even if the threads begin to wear (which is inevitable) simply tightening the well nut will solve the problem.&nbsp; When the well-nut fails I will have no problem spending another couple bucks to replace it.&nbsp; <br />Is this the most precise solution? NO<br />Is this a simple cost effective solution? YES</p></blockquote></div><p>I wasn&#039;t referring to the well nut wearing off.&nbsp; I was referring to the wear he (mwille) would put on the screw &amp; nut, if he were to tilt the nut by shimming it on one side, as he&#039;s proposing on post #15 above.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2015 23:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Backlash, Hysterisis and Wobble; an exploration of the topic]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m not the best at using calipers yet, so I can&#039;t be <em>positive </em>one way or the other.&nbsp; With that disclaimer out of the way, I do think that it is an M8 instead of 5/16.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2015 21:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>mwille wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I&#039;m not sure that is doing what I was thinking about.&nbsp; I thought what you pictured uses compression/pressure to keep the load on a single side of a thread face on 2 different nuts. </p><p>Here&#039;s a picture of my Press Z screw/nut (grease and all).&nbsp; I was talking about simply loosening the 4 screws that hold the brass nut and adding a thin washer under one of them so it would tilt it when tightened back down.&nbsp; This way a single nut would have contact with both an upper &amp; lower thread face like the cross section shown in the 2nd picture below.</p></blockquote></div><p>Could you clarify whether or not that is a metric rod? Considering it&#039;s built in china I see no reason to suspect it is imperial - is that an M5 rod?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2015 19:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Backlash, Hysterisis and Wobble; an exploration of the topic]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>In theory, yes.&nbsp; In practice, no.<br />That well nut has thousands of hours on it and I keep it properly lubed.&nbsp; Since the threads in the well nut are brass (rod and other nut are steel) they will be the first to go.&nbsp; &nbsp;I just pulled the well nut off and the threads look great.&nbsp; I would guess the rest of that printer will be in the garbage before I wear out any of the threads.&nbsp; Even if the threads begin to wear (which is inevitable) simply tightening the well nut will solve the problem.&nbsp; When the well-nut fails I will have no problem spending another couple bucks to replace it.&nbsp; <br />Is this the most precise solution? NO<br />Is this a simple cost effective solution? YES</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2015 19:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Backlash, Hysterisis and Wobble; an exploration of the topic]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>mwille wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I&#039;m not sure that is doing what I was thinking about.&nbsp; I thought what you pictured uses compression/pressure to keep the load on a single side of a thread face on 2 different nuts.</p></blockquote></div><p>Actually, in that setup, you have 2 screws, one built into the bed, the other into the well nut.&nbsp; The compression in the rubber wants to push the 2 nuts in opposite directions, So the bed nut presses downward into the upper surface of rod threads, the well nut, pushes upward into the lower surface of the rod threads. This is how most anti-backlash nuts work, except they use a spring between the 2 nut sections.</p><p>The springiness of the rubber (or the spring), prevent undue wear on the parts, yet take up the slop.</p><p>Something like what you&#039;re suggesting might work for a period of time, but it will eventually wear out ends of the threads on both the nut and the screw to the point of becoming sloppy.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2015 18:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Because the software is generic for all printers and few printers are as bad as the solidoodle is the simple answer....</p><p>There&#039;s software solutions via firmware available though.. Search the site for some..&nbsp; But by standard it&#039;s a very niche issues specific to the solidoodle and it&#039;s mechanical construction</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2015 14:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t know why the slicing software doesn&#039;t automatically take up the Z backlash like you would in a knee mill by dropping the bed past and creeping back up to the target so you are always engaging the same surfaces on the threads.&nbsp; Won&#039;t work for X&amp;Y but seems like an easy, free SW fix for the Z.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2015 14:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I see what your saying and see no reason to not try it.&nbsp; Short of switching to a precision ballscrew I think any of these fixes will yield fairly ok results.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2015 04:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Backlash, Hysterisis and Wobble; an exploration of the topic]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m not sure that is doing what I was thinking about.&nbsp; I thought what you pictured uses compression/pressure to keep the load on a single side of a thread face on 2 different nuts. </p><p>Here&#039;s a picture of my Press Z screw/nut (grease and all).&nbsp; I was talking about simply loosening the 4 screws that hold the brass nut and adding a thin washer under one of them so it would tilt it when tightened back down.&nbsp; This way a single nut would have contact with both an upper &amp; lower thread face like the cross section shown in the 2nd picture below.<br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?HW1yspp.jpg" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?HW1yspp.jpg" /></span><br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?j2Ww7sd.jpg" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?j2Ww7sd.jpg" /></span></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (mwille)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2015 04:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yep it&#039;s been covered on a few occasions <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /><br />I put one of these on every SD printer I&#039;ve ever owned.<br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/71tbpke.jpg" alt="http://i.imgur.com/71tbpke.jpg" /></span></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (wardjr)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2015 01:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Very nice post, it&#039;s a great explanation.&nbsp; </p><p>It seems to me that Z-backlash on the Press opens up a whole new can of worms with its &quot;standard issue&quot; non-level bed.&nbsp; Due to that slope, wouldn&#039;t it <em>effectively </em>apply the Z-backlash problem to changes in Y movement as well?&nbsp; </p><p>So anyway, I was wondering, has anyone ever tried to fix backlash by simply shimming the z-nut on one side <strong>just enough</strong> so that one side is in contact with the upper thread face &amp; the other contacts the lower?&nbsp; It seems to me that it would accomplish the same thing as an anti-backlash nut (as long as it wasn&#039;t shimmed so much it tried to tilt/bend the rod &amp; put it in a bind).&nbsp; </p><p>A side effect would be that it should reduce friction since it wouldn&#039;t be contacting the entire thread faces.&nbsp; The down side to that is that it would also wear those points of contact more quickly.&nbsp; The question is, how quickly would it wear down to the point it allowed backlash again?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2015 01:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Well for my backlash I&#039;m going to try the poor mans well nut fix to see how it does. Since I just got this thing a few weeks ago I&#039;ve been avoiding doing any real mods to it. I was just curious if adding a support to the top of the z was worthwhile. But like you said since the rod is rigidly attached it probably wouldn&#039;t be a great idea. Maybe one day I&#039;ll follow Necromant and just do a full z replacement.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 05:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>It would potentially help if you combined it with a flex coupling, otherwise it will just cause added stress to the stepper motor and its internal bearings. But with a flex couple it would help. Won&#039;t solve backlash for you though as you know... For that you need to do stuff on the table side of the connection</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (adrian)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 05:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I had a thought about creating a simple support for the top of the z-rod. My idea is to modify lawsys extended filament guide so it can hold a thrust or ball bearing. Then print a piece to couple the rod and the bearing. I&#039;m attaching a picture for a better explanation. </p><p>but my question is do you think it would make much difference?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 05:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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