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			<title><![CDATA[Re: These machines are TOUGH]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>n2ri wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>the rust was due to off gases of materials in fire like when sewer gas has Sulfur-dioxide/ acid etc it only takes seconds to do it. can also blacken copper etc</p></blockquote></div><p>This actually explains a great deal of how irregular some of the oxidation is, probably matching the smoke as it wended its way through everything and ruined it.&nbsp; Thank you for that insight.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2022 20:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>the rust was due to off gases of materials in fire like when sewer gas has Sulfur-dioxide/ acid etc it only takes seconds to do it. can also blacken copper etc</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2022 19:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>The only thing that removes any remaining oxide coating faster than fire is evaporust apparently, haha</p><p>Yes it will do that. iron oxide is iron oxide.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2021 01:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>heartless wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>wow<br />I too am glad no one was hurt!</p><p>also quite surprised to see the plastic front door did not melt!</p></blockquote></div><p>I&#039;m glad nobody was in there.&nbsp; We have dogs and cats, and they sometimes liked to spend the night in there. <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/sad.png" width="15" height="15" alt="sad" /></p><p>Fire... is weird.&nbsp; It did a number on (and destroyed) a lot of my plastic drawers for holding electronic components and chips that were on the wall behind my PC (see below) , and the top shelf where I&#039;d kept the Solidoodles had a melted plastic UPS on top of all my filament storage (That&#039;s being thrown out, as I can&#039;t trust any of it after that much heat).&nbsp; Plastic bags with spare printed parts up there were charred and melted but the parts inside were fine?</p><p>my corexy seemed to get the brunt of the heat and soot though, as the soot has apparently been powder coated to the aluminum extrusion and won&#039;t come off and the ABS printed parts on the gantry were looking pretty poorly.&nbsp; I&#039;ve cut off my chimera, titans, and solidoodle-compatible bed off of it for re-use later and scrapped the rest <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/sad.png" width="15" height="15" alt="sad" /></p><p>And yet, my PC was running a -a foot- from the fire (the printers were ~8-10 feet away), and other than having to pry melted drawers off of the top, still works fine with some extreme scrubbing inside and out.&nbsp; CDs and -paper- in the same area were also fine, while paper on the opposite wall charred.&nbsp; The printers were even still on the network after the fire!</p><p>So while they&#039;ve got pretty bad&nbsp; oxidative damage, the -plastic- on all three SD4s was fine.&nbsp; &nbsp;Fire is weird, thankfully.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2021 16:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>wow<br />I too am glad no one was hurt!</p><p>also quite surprised to see the plastic front door did not melt!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2021 12:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Tin Falcon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>evapro rust is very good stuff. glad everyone is safe!!!</p></blockquote></div><p>The only thing in there that got evaporust treatment, in the end, were the lid hinges and the grub screws on the Y carriages.&nbsp; I ended up replacing the Z rods (I&#039;ve never seen polished rods come back still polished after rusting and de-rusting) and the rest of the screws and the like got replaced with new ones when I realized the only way to keep them from rusting in the future would be continued oiling.&nbsp; The only thing that removes any remaining oxide coating faster than fire is evaporust apparently, haha.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2021 01:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>evapro rust is very good stuff. glad everyone is safe!!!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2021 23:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[These machines are TOUGH]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>So there was a fire in our home lab in October.&nbsp; This fire was NOT 3D printer related, and no animals or people were hurt.&nbsp; Our house is even fine, as our lab space was a shipping container next to the house, and the fire didn&#039;t breach the exterior.&nbsp; The whole experience was more like opening the (cool) door at 10am, and finding smoke, black covering everything, with severe damage to one desk.&nbsp; &nbsp;What does this have to do with Solidoodles?</p><p>All of my electronics gear, hand tools, three Solidoodle 4s, one delta, and one home-built coreXY frankenprinter with a Solidoodle Z stage were in there, along with all of my spare parts and the bits needed to reassemble my i3 and my mendelmax.&nbsp; Oof.</p><p>I learned something about fire:&nbsp; When it doesn&#039;t directly burn something, it rusts the crap out of it, even when I lubricated it in the past.&nbsp; &nbsp;My hand tools got hit pretty bad with soot and rust on oxide-coated components, but my printers...</p><p>on two Solidoodles, all six rods were rusted, all bearings showed rust, and every oxide-coated fastener was rust.&nbsp; The delta&#039;s rails, carriages, magballs, and fasteners were the same.&nbsp; If it wasn&#039;t stainless, it rusted. </p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?kxykzBl.jpg" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?kxykzBl.jpg" /></span><br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?bh5R1Up.jpg" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?bh5R1Up.jpg" /></span><br />This kills the printer.</p><p>Weirdly, the SD4 -frames- were good, and the third SD4 had somehow only gotten rust on the Z rods and all the bearings and fasteners.&nbsp; (I swear I kept them lubricated. :B)&nbsp; Side and top panels only show rust where the embers burned the paint off, too.&nbsp; &nbsp;But the insides were also completely coated in a fine, toner-like ash that smelled to high heaven and required acts of God to remove (I still can&#039;t get all of it off the SD4 frames, ugh!).&nbsp; </p><p>I&#039;m a terrible story writer, but the part I really wanted to share was this:</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?3pL9OCY.jpg" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?3pL9OCY.jpg" /></span><br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?7kayXy1.jpg" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?7kayXy1.jpg" /></span><br />(please ignore my terrible bed adhesion, this is my first print in a long while haha)</p><p>after all the evenings and weekends I&#039;ve spent since the fire cleaning and reconditioning equipment, I finally got the first SD4 fully operational again.&nbsp; Feels good, even if my bedroom is my lab now for the time being.&nbsp; </p><p>Also, a huge mountain of gratitude to Filastruder, who still happens to sell all the bits I need to reclaim my damaged Titan extruders and pretty much the entire delta printer&#039;s motion parts.&nbsp; I love that thing almost as much as I love the printer I just finished fixing, haha</p><p>tl;dr - Fire ate my stuff, rebuilding everything sucks.&nbsp; Fire is weird.&nbsp; Rust sucks.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2021 20:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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