If I start a print and I"m not already at or above the start temps for both bed and extruder, it just sits there and does not heat up to temp. I've used all three of these slicers and upload to Octoprint. I just have my pre-heat temps a few degrees above my print temp. As long as I don't start a print before it reaches temp, it works fine.

I assume it's my start gcode but it looks good to me and my workaround is easy enough.

I ask because there are several variations out there, and each is slightly different

it works when I preheat . If after I start preheating I start the print the bed tempature heats to what I set in slic3r  instead of what it normally preheats to . I cant know if its the same with the nozzle because I have that set to what the printer preheats to

This is what it should do. Slicer settings always override manual settings. So yes it will heat to preheat temps. But once you start the print it will change to the settings in the slicer. Is this what I understand is happening?

Another update it seems it just starts moving it doesnt try to heaat the nozzle only the bed

Post your complete start gcode as is. Let's see what it is doing?