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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Extruding PET (PETE, not PETG) plastic with Filastruder]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>tomas0413 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hi, thanks for the reply.</p><p>To be clear - heating element is the only item that I connected to 18V.</p><p>The motor and all the fans are still on 12V.</p><p>I have one 18V power supply and a step-down unit from 18V to 12V.</p></blockquote></div><p>You are aware that the motor controller is basically a buck converter right?&nbsp; While you may need to convert the fan voltage, the motor control is a constant-voltage/constant-amperage PWM buck converter.</p><p><a href="https://www.okystar.com/product-item/constant-currentvoltage-5-36v-3a-buck-regulator-with-display-oky3497-7/">https://www.okystar.com/product-item/co … oky3497-7/</a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2020 05:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#039;t have any of the magic-yellow tape on hand, but I did have some aluminum ducting tape still around from when I built a turbo gasification stove. Since wood gasification doesn&#039;t begin until 650-700F (about 350C), I figured it would work and it seems to hold the sensor in place pretty well.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2020 03:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Extruding PET (PETE, not PETG) plastic with Filastruder]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>rexxthephysicist, yes the temperature was in the hole. Since I took that photo, I also secured the sensor with the Kapton tape.<br />I also bought a few extra items: <br />1. a new temperature controller to troubleshoot temperature stability issues (or at least I can check if the problem isn&#039;t in the controller), <br />2. extruder feeder with a motor - I thought I could route the filament via the extruder.&nbsp; I managed to extrude some PET filament if I make it dow down first, and then I raise it and cool it. I thought that having an extruder in this setup might help.</p><p>But yes, it is a lot of work. I parked this activity for a bit, but I plan to resume at some point. I started to work on an alternative approach - pellet extruder, so I could bypass making filament in a first place.</p><p>Murph, I&#039;m not sure about the options in the UK. I was initially thinking to buy one tonne (1000kg) of PET plastic from Alibaba.com, but then I was able to get a sample of 50Kg from a PET factory in Lithuania - <a href="https://neogroup.eu/.">https://neogroup.eu/.</a><br />If I can make PET work for me, I would have to buy 1000Kg or more, but I&#039;m not at this point yet.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Extruding PET (PETE, not PETG) plastic with Filastruder]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you fully Tomas. It is all about learning and taking control of supply.</p><p>I will also be experimenting with PET soon. It would seem you have found a well priced supplier of PET pellets.<br />Would you mind sharing your contact?</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>tomas0413 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hi, </p><p>in my case it&#039;s this: </p><p>1) to be able to recycle plastic and use recycled plastic in 3D printing (not only PLA or ABS)<br />2) to reduce the cost of large 3D printed objects (let&#039;s say around 10kg in size)<br />3) The cost of PET granules per 1.3 EUR (per kg) (1.46 USD)<br />4) PET from <a href="http://www.re-filament.com">www.re-filament.com</a> (made from recycled plastic bottles) has been already successfully tested and works:<br /><a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/BimHp3DAu9H/">https://www.instagram.com/p/BimHp3DAu9H/</a><br />5) just general curiosity of learning something than just consuming</p></blockquote></div>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 06:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Its in a hole, though its not secured like it should be.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 11 Aug 2019 00:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m struggling with getting a clear picture of these parts of the instructions: </p><p>5.) Insert thermocouple into hole on hex flat of nozzle.</p><br /><p>But given the picture that was posted by tomas0413, it doesn&#039;t look a if it&#039;s inserted into any hole. Is it just basically touching the head?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 10 Aug 2019 23:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Extruding PET (PETE, not PETG) plastic with Filastruder]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hi, </p><p>in my case it&#039;s this: </p><p>1) to be able to recycle plastic and use recycled plastic in 3D printing (not only PLA or ABS)<br />2) to reduce the cost of large 3D printed objects (let&#039;s say around 10kg in size)<br />3) The cost of PET granules per 1.3 EUR (per kg) (1.46 USD)<br />4) PET from <a href="http://www.re-filament.com">www.re-filament.com</a> (made from recycled plastic bottles) has been already successfully tested and works:<br /><a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/BimHp3DAu9H/">https://www.instagram.com/p/BimHp3DAu9H/</a><br />5) just general curiosity of learning something than just consuming</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2019 19:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I am missing something but this seems like a lot of trouble for a few meters of filament when you can buy PETG filament in any color really for $20 to $25 per KG and it will work and behave as expected when used at optimum temperatures. I mean in a case like this I have ti ask what my time is worth baby sitting the machine as well and I find it is cheaper to just buy ready made PETG filament. </p><p>Keep in mind the stuff that we print with is not PET, but PETG and PETG+. So not sure if PET is even viable for 3D printing.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2019 19:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>A few more updates from my side:</p><p>1. I&#039;m able to get better results from PID on temperature stability, but it&#039;s not at the level which I&#039;d be happy. Ideally, I&#039;d like to achieve +/- 0.1C and in the worst case scenario + / - 0.5C. I ordered a different PID from Inkbird so that I can compare it to the Sestos.<br />2. I used Kapton tape to secure the thermosensor, but I didn&#039;t cover the entire nozzle. I plan to use heat insulation cotton to cover the nozzle and also use a bit more Kapton tape to secure the insulation.<br />3. I discovered the interesting results from 3DEVO that seem to be more or less in line with what I learned so far:<br /><a href="https://3devo.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/PET-recycling.pdf">https://3devo.com/wp-content/uploads/20 … ycling.pdf</a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2019 18:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I think I managed to get the temperature much more stable, but if I change the cooling fan speed the temperature isn&#039;t staying stable.</p><p>I&#039;m trying to autotune without fans, to see if I can reach +/- 0.1C or something close to this.</p><p>I&#039;m using these parameters at the moment:<br />M50 : 1500<br />P: 9998<br />t: 0<br />Ctl : 90<br />df: 0.1<br />oPH : 30 (I tied multiple values, 7 - the temperature only reaches 54C, 70 - the temperature overshoots by 20C or so)</p><br /><p>Maybe someone who is able to get the stable temperature could check what values they use for: M50, P, t, Ctl, df and oPH?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Apr 2019 20:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Quick update on the status:</p><p>1. I replaced the temperature sensor.<br />2. Put the Kapton tape to secure the temperature sensor.<br />3. Installed four fans with adjustable speed <br />4. I installed a 3mm stainless steel nozzle. (used to be 1.75mm stainless steel nozzle).</p><p>This time see that the best extrusion I get when I set the temperature to 230C (used to be 205C), so it&#039;s already entirely different.<br />I managed to extrude 1.75mm filament, which is excellent, but there will be a lot more work needed to get the width consistent.<br />I have a Filawinder ready but haven&#039;t tried it yet.</p><p>Also, the temperature is much more stable now, but still +/-5C. (After autotune).</p><p>I found this blog post, I&#039;ll if I need to get manual settings to get more constant temperature :<br /><a href="http://sestosd1s.blogspot.com/2015/04/secret-sestos-d1s-manual-after-having.html">http://sestosd1s.blogspot.com/2015/04/s … aving.html</a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Apr 2019 19:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>tomas0413 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Or maybe the sensor wire had to be routed inside the insulation and insulation then could be lowered a bit?</p><p>Any suggests are welcome!</p><p>Thanks, everyone.</p></blockquote></div><p>If you do that just make sure the wire isn&#039;t directly touching the heater band. I like to run it so that the screw that you tighten to hold the clamp onto the heater band prevents the wire from being able to touch the heater band.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2019 23:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the advice, just ordered some kapton tape!</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (tomas0413)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2019 22:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I have noticed with my filastuders that if I don&#039;t use kapton tape to secure the thermocouple in the hole on the nozzle, it moves around and the temperature goes all over the place.&nbsp; Try putting the thermocouple on and secure it with some kapton tape.</p><p>-os3dp</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2019 02:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Or maybe the sensor wire had to be routed inside the insulation and insulation then could be lowered a bit?</p><p>Any suggests are welcome!</p><p>Thanks, everyone.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2019 22:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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