carl_m1968 wrote:

As for the XYZ issues that where mentioned, that is just a poor design ans no warning supplied by the manufacturer and I suspect it might be in their favor to have you send it in for repair. No other printer comes with a metal wire brush that I know of.

It is actually recommended by many official guide on nozzle cleaning, and they did not mention the importance of turn off the power.

https://www.matterhackers.com/news/how- … ter-nozzle

https://all3dp.com/2/3d-printer-nozzle- … -to-do-it/

my point is these guide are the reasons why people break their mainboard with metal wire brush, and you guys have to misunderstood my post in every possible way. no wonder this forum become quieter and quieter.

and Carl - yes, he does have a comeback for everything, even if it is wrong. He just HAS to have the last word on any and every topic.

carl_m1968 wrote:

As for the XYZ issues that where mentioned, that is just a poor design ans no warning supplied by the manufacturer and I suspect it might be in their favor to have you send it in for repair. No other printer comes with a metal wire brush that I know of.

It is actually recommended by many official guide on nozzle cleaning, and they did not mention the importance of turn off the power.

https://www.matterhackers.com/news/how- … ter-nozzle

https://all3dp.com/2/3d-printer-nozzle- … -to-do-it/

Do you have to have a come back for every post and prove every post wrong?

None of those sites mention any printer that ships with a wire brush. The reason? Because then they would be responsible for your use of it.

They mentioned needing one but no where did they say any printer ships with one other than XYZ as I said.

As for the XYZ issues that where mentioned, that is just a poor design ans no warning supplied by the manufacturer and I suspect it might be in their favor to have you send it in for repair. No other printer comes with a metal wire brush that I know of.

It is actually recommended by many official guide on nozzle cleaning, and they did not mention the importance of turn off the power.

https://www.matterhackers.com/news/how- … ter-nozzle

https://all3dp.com/2/3d-printer-nozzle- … -to-do-it/

heartless wrote:

Tin Falcon wrote:

Here is a well engineered premium kit.
https://www.projectr3d.com/products/rai … -pre-order

Absolutely DO NOT buy something on a "pre-order" - EVER!
Far too many have been burned by doing this.. the money is gone and they never get their item. it has happened over and over again. Just don't do it. Stop supporting this kind of activity. If the item is not available for immediate purchase & shipment, don't buy it.

Can we say Peachy Printer? I was one of them who lost $100 on that sham.

Peachy, Tiko, and many others..

Yes, a few actually got their Tiko, but many more did not (my other half for one) and those that did get one quickly found out it was not as good as was advertised.

Tin Falcon wrote:

Bump into something on your drivers test you fail.
Bumb into something on a 3d printer you buy a new part.

was talking about bumping into print arm mid print as it has nothing around it to keep things out of its path

Again you learn and teach. Tell kids to stay away from it and punish them if they don't. Teach yourself where it is and not to hit it when operating. Everything that has been brought up here just goes back to common sense and teaching those around the printer not to bother it unless authorized. Keep the pets out of the room it is in. There is no reason you would break or damage the machine except out of lack of knowledge. Teach yourself and learn before doing.

As for the XYZ issues that where mentioned, that is just a poor design ans no warning supplied by the manufacturer and I suspect it might be in their favor to have you send it in for repair. No other printer comes with a metal wire brush that I know of.

Bump into something on your drivers test you fail.
Bumb into something on a 3d printer you buy a new part.

was talking about bumping into print arm mid print as it has nothing around it to keep things out of its path

Sure one can buy a cheap knockoff printer and repair it with knockoff parts. but the weak link will likely fail. Why not replace the weak prone to fail parts with real parts and avoid the aggravation.

Because beginner break high quality parts due to human error. The quality of the part often doesn't matter. I see people ask for help because they clear nozzle with metal brush with printer power on (short heating element and therefore main board), turn motor driver pot with metal screw driver (poke somewhere else on mainboard that they can remember), replace heating element and heated bed because new fancy PSU is set to 220V. (reason for upgrade PSU because upgrade to microswiss full metal hotend and filament don't melt well.)

It's like for new drivers, start with used low cost car first. If he knock out a trash can or scratch the paint, he will not feel terrible. On the other hand, beginner driving with a car that may stop working at any minute is terrible, especially when break is not less say "easy to use".

That's why I recommend MonoPrice make select plus and iNSTONE Inventor Pro to beginners, they are kind of like Toyota corolla with 7k mileage on it, cheap to buy, problem free for a short while, you were happy with the fact that you can drive. How fast this car can accelerate or how well the alignment is are not your primary concern. And one day, you found yourself stop bump or scratch into anything in any kind of parking situation, not involved in any kind of small accident, time for a better car.

Absolutely DO NOT buy something on a "pre-order" - EVER!
Far too many have been burned by doing this.. the money is gone and they never get their item. it has happened over and over again. Just don't do it. Stop supporting this kind of activity. If the item is not available for immediate purchase & shipment, don't buy it.

I am not ordering one. Is there a risk yes. In this case the organization is simply assembling a kit that has previously been open sourced. They are attempting to make the build process a bit simpler, and the lead time is approximately 2 weeks from when payment is made to the projected shipping date. Would i take the time to order  every part vs risking $1550 on a pre order just do not know.

Tin Falcon wrote:

Here is a well engineered premium kit.
https://www.projectr3d.com/products/rai … -pre-order

Absolutely DO NOT buy something on a "pre-order" - EVER!
Far too many have been burned by doing this.. the money is gone and they never get their item. it has happened over and over again. Just don't do it. Stop supporting this kind of activity. If the item is not available for immediate purchase & shipment, don't buy it.

Can we say Peachy Printer? I was one of them who lost $100 on that sham.

Here is a well engineered premium kit.
https://www.projectr3d.com/products/rai … -pre-order

Absolutely DO NOT buy something on a "pre-order" - EVER!
Far too many have been burned by doing this.. the money is gone and they never get their item. it has happened over and over again. Just don't do it. Stop supporting this kind of activity. If the item is not available for immediate purchase & shipment, don't buy it.

Sorry, but I did not "need" to upgrade to get the printer to work.
The printer worked just fine, as it was, in stock form. And for the average user, it would have been fine in that form for a long time.

At the same time, I quickly outgrew its stock capabilities and wanted more from it than it could offer in stock form. So yes, each modification was made for specific reasons - none were made "because that is what everyone else is doing". I had a list of things I wanted to get out of it and each mod was done to achieve that goal.
And being that it was purchased as a used machine, I had no qualms about putting a little more money into it to get what I wanted out of it.

Some of this whole situation boils down to unrealistic expectations.

Far too many people buy cheap printers, throw a bunch of money & mods at them, then wonder why it still doesn't print worth a darn..
I can tell you why - they did not take the time to actually learn how to use the machine correctly. They did not calibrate anything. They simply spent more money in the mistaken belief that it will magically make things perfect. They did this because "everyone else is doing it" and therefore it must work... it doesn't. 

You HAVE to start with the basics.
Even with a $1000 (or more) printer - you STILL have to start with the basics.
Get a baseline for what it can and cannot do in stock form.
Without doing that, you are simply wasting time & money.