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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Cheap vs. Quality]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>i dont have a problem with the quick reply box... must be something on your end.</p><p>All I can tell you about running multiple printers from one computer is my personal experience. How others do it I can not say.</p><p>#&#039;s 1 &amp; 2 are running identical boards &amp; firmware, and as I noted before, plugging them in to the same USB source causes problems. Using different USB sources there is no problem.<br />on my computer, there are 4 USB slots on the back, 2 in the front.. the back is one source, the front is another (different places on the mainboard). I can run a powered hub from the back, and it counts as a separate source. #1 is plugged into the back of the computer directly, #2 is plugged into the hub, which is plugged into the back... it works.</p><p>I do run multiple instances of RH - one for each printer in operation - and i try to orient them on the screen (2nd monitor) in a similar pattern to where the printers are to make it easier to keep track of which one is which. <br />example: when looking at the 2 SD4s, #1 is on the right, #2 on the left.. I will place the RH for each in the same way.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2018 13:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>n2ri wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>heartless wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>seems most members on here have not yet enjoyed their 3D printer loosing its com port due to other USB devices that sync or use bi directional com port being installed or used while 3D printer was off line and the other device permanently high jacked its com port.</p></blockquote></div><p>ok, here is the thing, when setting up my printers COM ports - I <strong>manually</strong> change the COM number to something higher.. leaving the lower level numbers for other devices.. this is SUPER easy to do and then you no longer have that issue.<br />SD4 #1 is COM 13 (yes, I deliberately chose this number, lol)<br />SD4 #2 is COM 15, and everything else is higher from there.</p><p>When you first connect the printer, yeah, the computer will assign a number, but once that is done, you can change it to whatever you want that is not currently in use (up to 256) and the computer will remember that COM setting for every future connection to that printer.</p><p>As for the LCD/SD thing - those are not that hard to add to pretty much any printer. You don&#039;t want to be tethered, add one!<br />Or, Look into setting up a pi &amp; Octoprint.. There ARE other options out there.</p><p>Yes, I run mine tethered to the computer, it works for me - for now. I like the control I have over ever aspect of the print job - i can adjust the hotend and/or bed temp, feed rate &amp; flow rate on the fly with just the click of the mouse. <br />With a print running from SD card it is not quite as easy to do - too much digging through menus for my tastes. (yes, I have a printer that has the LCD/SD card reader - i never use that part of it)</p><p>I am frequently running both of the SD4s at the same time, and, recently, could have used a 3rd one... which I now have in my possession. <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>On the other hand.. the Duet &amp; Panel Due touch screen combo is very nice! super easy to make adjustments on the fly. But I rarely use the machine that has this setup for &quot;production&quot; stuff because it has the Volcano on it, and most of the stuff I am running needs the smaller nozzle size for the details and/or needs smaller layer heights..</p></blockquote></div><p>well like I posted above mine did loose its com port after connecting a syncing device while printer was off. and it was NOT easy to fix like it would be if done when 1st installed and even SD techs on remote share had no clue (I never remote share after that mess).</p><p> dont want to use win 10 ever again. nor string RPs etc just to run 2-4 printers at same time either. what about running multiple RH windows if they can keep from mixing up which printer to talk to? heck solidoodle ran over 24 SD3 units at same time on 1 PC &amp; didnt see anything hanging on them to do it.</p></blockquote></div><br /><br /><p>so how long has the Quick reply window not been posting reply&#039;s? only quotes do</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2018 08:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>heartless wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>seems most members on here have not yet enjoyed their 3D printer loosing its com port due to other USB devices that sync or use bi directional com port being installed or used while 3D printer was off line and the other device permanently high jacked its com port.</p></blockquote></div><p>ok, here is the thing, when setting up my printers COM ports - I <strong>manually</strong> change the COM number to something higher.. leaving the lower level numbers for other devices.. this is SUPER easy to do and then you no longer have that issue.<br />SD4 #1 is COM 13 (yes, I deliberately chose this number, lol)<br />SD4 #2 is COM 15, and everything else is higher from there.</p><p>When you first connect the printer, yeah, the computer will assign a number, but once that is done, you can change it to whatever you want that is not currently in use (up to 256) and the computer will remember that COM setting for every future connection to that printer.</p><p>As for the LCD/SD thing - those are not that hard to add to pretty much any printer. You don&#039;t want to be tethered, add one!<br />Or, Look into setting up a pi &amp; Octoprint.. There ARE other options out there.</p><p>Yes, I run mine tethered to the computer, it works for me - for now. I like the control I have over ever aspect of the print job - i can adjust the hotend and/or bed temp, feed rate &amp; flow rate on the fly with just the click of the mouse. <br />With a print running from SD card it is not quite as easy to do - too much digging through menus for my tastes. (yes, I have a printer that has the LCD/SD card reader - i never use that part of it)</p><p>I am frequently running both of the SD4s at the same time, and, recently, could have used a 3rd one... which I now have in my possession. <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>On the other hand.. the Duet &amp; Panel Due touch screen combo is very nice! super easy to make adjustments on the fly. But I rarely use the machine that has this setup for &quot;production&quot; stuff because it has the Volcano on it, and most of the stuff I am running needs the smaller nozzle size for the details and/or needs smaller layer heights..</p></blockquote></div><p>well like I posted above mine did loose its com port after connecting a syncing device while printer was off. and it was NOT easy to fix like it would be if done when 1st installed and even SD techs on remote share had no clue (I never remote share after that mess).</p><p> dont want to use win 10 ever again. nor string RPs etc just to run 2-4 printers at same time either. what about running multiple RH windows if they can keep from mixing up which printer to talk to? heck solidoodle ran over 24 SD3 units at same time on 1 PC &amp; didnt see anything hanging on them to do it.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2018 08:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>raspberry pis are cheap. You don&#039;t need the latest one to run a FDM printer. I have four printers and I run each one off its own raspberry pi.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2018 05:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Repetier-Server identify your printer by serial number of the main board instead of com port number, assign different name to your printer will make things easy. I tried connect 4 printer at the same time and it works very well. Major issue with repetier-server is often caused by windows 10 automatic upgrade, don&#039;t forget to disable automatic upgrade.</p><p>You can also install OctoPrint server on windows 10 or linux machine, but I&#039;m not sure if OctoPrint identify printer by serial number or COM port.</p><p>You can assign different printer name in firmware or with M550 command, you can find out which printer you connected to in the log window.</p><p>For more advanced user, you can change product ID in the firmware, and then modify the USB driver .inf file add corresponding product id and product name assigned to different printer. Then your printer will be recognized as different product from same vendor and whatever name you want will show up after the COM port in device manager.&nbsp; Major disadvantage is you need to disable windows driver signature enforcement.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2018 17:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>seems most members on here have not yet enjoyed their 3D printer loosing its com port due to other USB devices that sync or use bi directional com port being installed or used while 3D printer was off line and the other device permanently high jacked its com port.</p></blockquote></div><p>ok, here is the thing, when setting up my printers COM ports - I <strong>manually</strong> change the COM number to something higher.. leaving the lower level numbers for other devices.. this is SUPER easy to do and then you no longer have that issue.<br />SD4 #1 is COM 13 (yes, I deliberately chose this number, lol)<br />SD4 #2 is COM 15, and everything else is higher from there.</p><p>When you first connect the printer, yeah, the computer will assign a number, but once that is done, you can change it to whatever you want that is not currently in use (up to 256) and the computer will remember that COM setting for every future connection to that printer.</p><p>As for the LCD/SD thing - those are not that hard to add to pretty much any printer. You don&#039;t want to be tethered, add one!<br />Or, Look into setting up a pi &amp; Octoprint.. There ARE other options out there.</p><p>Yes, I run mine tethered to the computer, it works for me - for now. I like the control I have over ever aspect of the print job - i can adjust the hotend and/or bed temp, feed rate &amp; flow rate on the fly with just the click of the mouse. <br />With a print running from SD card it is not quite as easy to do - too much digging through menus for my tastes. (yes, I have a printer that has the LCD/SD card reader - i never use that part of it)</p><p>I am frequently running both of the SD4s at the same time, and, recently, could have used a 3rd one... which I now have in my possession. <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>On the other hand.. the Duet &amp; Panel Due touch screen combo is very nice! super easy to make adjustments on the fly. But I rarely use the machine that has this setup for &quot;production&quot; stuff because it has the Volcano on it, and most of the stuff I am running needs the smaller nozzle size for the details and/or needs smaller layer heights..</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2018 17:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>now remember this is over 3 years old so... <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihR9SX7dgRo">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihR9SX7dgRo</a></p><p>also its an extremely over priced lease agreement that you never own is why its dormant still. who wants to pay $10,000 for a dumb training course then 3 year lease @ $40,000 per year for a borrowed 3D printer when industrial powder printers are available for less to purchase.</p><p>hence I stick with what I have that gets the job done good enough til better affordable option comes.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2018 11:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I would think since these 3D printers use printer boards they should be able to install like other printers by serial number ID in the hardware/board so PC recognizes each unit not only for drivers but independent communication. when selected. RH dont have multi connect ability so needs separate app running for each printer just like if I print a document on my Canon printer while printing a photo on my Alps have to open 2 separate print command windows and cant run more than 1 on Parallel or serial or same USB controller. its why I keep some devices on old cables.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2018 10:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>seems most members on here have not yet enjoyed their 3D printer loosing its com port due to other USB devices that sync or use bi directional com port being installed or used while 3D printer was off line and the other device permanently high jacked its com port. that issue can also happen with other 3D printers just not usually permanent just interrupting other same units before or during print. search my archives about 6+ years ago for how I know this will happen and how it ruins your month trying to find why 3D printer no longer connects and even SD techs had no clue about it. I had to learn about it myself and since I have always assigned com port in high number like 12-24 so other devices wont grab 1st port not used/assigned again and steal my 3D printers com port as SD printers only check like com 3,5 or an assigned port in cinfig settings. and if you have as many devices and profiles as my Thinkpads and dock stations do that wont cut it. I can connect 24 devices to my Thinkpads and some of them on USB just grab next available when connected. same as my hot swap drive&nbsp; bays can.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2018 10:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>carl_m1968 wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Tin Falcon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Carl that is fine if the printer has an sd card as most of mine do. but heartless and N2ri have multiple solidoodle printers. they do not have that option.</p></blockquote></div><br /><p>That was my point. If the SD has such issues then it might not be the best to consider for a print farm of say 5 plus printers. Of course since I only have three and they all have unique purposes I am probably just flapping my jaws. I personally cannot imagine ever finding a market or enough customers that would require me to run 3 printers at the same time, much less 200. I guess Texas is just not on the 3d printing parade yet. The only business I have been able to drum up is printing custom made light pipes for my employer. Even then they only need one or two a year.</p></blockquote></div><br /><p>well if I didnt have SD2 printers already which as Heartless explained have to 1st find said printers virtual com ports each time powered on and cant do that if they look the same to PC.<br /> then if I had money for 4 newer costlier FDM printers I would likely use 1 of&nbsp; the new liquid resin 3D printers that use air to help speed normal process by 100x therefore only needing to run the 1 printer to output faster than 4+ high end FDM printers at more efficient&nbsp; cost and less investment. so lets stay focused on my OP please and not adlib pipe dreams ok? dont know of any FDM printer that can finish an item normally taking several hours to print, in under 8mins.</p><p> SD cards are just another option on some higher priced printers which should also have a pause/continue print feature too for power outages or other interruptions like any high end printer including my old Alps MD1300 paper die-sublimation photo/decal ready unit has for ink cartridge replacement. also need UPS battery backup so prints can finish if power goes off. but all that is not what I asked. so We still need more info for my OP question.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2018 10:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Tin Falcon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Carl that is fine if the printer has an sd card as most of mine do. but heartless and N2ri have multiple solidoodle printers. they do not have that option.</p></blockquote></div><br /><p>That was my point. If the SD has such issues then it might not be the best to consider for a print farm of say 5 plus printers. Of course since I only have three and they all have unique purposes I am probably just flapping my jaws. I personally cannot imagine ever finding a market or enough customers that would require me to run 3 printers at the same time, much less 200. I guess Texas is just not on the 3d printing parade yet. The only business I have been able to drum up is printing custom made light pipes for my employer. Even then they only need one or two a year.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2018 02:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Carl that is fine if the printer has an sd card as most of mine do. but heartless and N2ri have multiple solidoodle printers. they do not have that option.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2018 02:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>If I where ever going to set up a farm or run multiple printers then I would simply do what I do now and not even have a PC running or connected to the printer. My main FDM has a Viki II display from Panucatt devices which has a micro SDcard port right on the front. I just slice all the files I want to print and then put them on the sdcard as gcode files and access them through the LCD. </p><p>The only time I have a computer connected to that machine is when I am tuning it and need access to the firmware or control of it.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2018 01:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Not &quot;quite&quot; that simple, Tin.. <br />if they are running the same type of controller board, and the same firmware, there CAN be issues.<br />Both SD4 #1 &amp; #2 are in that situation. They are both running the same board (Rumba) &amp; firmware.<br />I have to run them from separate USB connections on the computer.. as in one in the back, and one in the front, or from a powered hub.<br />If I try to run both from the stock rear USB ports, there ARE issues.</p><p>running two different boards makes it a bit easier as they use different drivers for the COM ports - thus the computer knows the difference.<br />I have run as many as 4 printers from one computer - 2 with the exact same controller board/firmware setup (the SD4s), but running from different USB sources (1 front, 1 back), and the other 2 running different boards.. one was a RAMPs (the FT Kossel) the other was an MKS board (the FT-5).</p><p>Now, the SD4 I just brought home is still running on the stock Printrboard.. so I can easily run it from the same computer as the other 2, just need to find the correct driver for it again, LOL</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2018 00:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I would think it would be as simple as a separate profile for each printer You can name a profile in repetier anything you want . <br />Name your printer after star ships, states ,presidents, animals whatever and you make make corresponding labels for the physical printer. <br />Joseph prusa runs over 200 printers in his print farm so running multiple printers is quite doable.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2018 22:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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