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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Getting Good Results]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>it can print .05mm layer height and some have posted so on this forum even also thin wall with proper tweaking. I have had partial prints of west coast mirrors on 1/160 scale trucks without said tweaks and they are very thin. but if STL file dont have such thin details then none can be printed or attempted. thats not asking much of a laser scanner really after all its not printing it, only scanning it with laser precision.&nbsp; </p><div class="quotebox"><cite>pirvan wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>n2ri wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I need to get the resolution down to at least same as SD2 0.05mm to be of any use.</p></blockquote></div><p>Really ??</p><p>Here are the &quot;precision&quot; specs of the Soliddodle 2 Pro:</p><p>Precision:<br />• Able to print .4mm, .3mm, .2mm, .1mm</p><p>In case you want a refresher on the original specs of your printer, here is a snapshot of the Soliddole 2 Pro Specs page from Jul 2 2014:</p><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140702124405/http://store.solidoodle.com/index.php?route=product/product&amp;path=59&amp;product_id=56">https://web.archive.org/web/20140702124 … duct_id=56</a></p></blockquote></div>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2016 04:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Getting Good Results]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>n2ri wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I need to get the resolution down to at least same as SD2 0.05mm to be of any use.</p></blockquote></div><p>Really ??</p><p>Here are the &quot;precision&quot; specs of the Soliddodle 2 Pro:</p><p>Precision:<br />• Able to print .4mm, .3mm, .2mm, .1mm</p><p>In case you want a refresher on the original specs of your printer, here is a snapshot of the Soliddole 2 Pro Specs page from Jul 2 2014:</p><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140702124405/http://store.solidoodle.com/index.php?route=product/product&amp;path=59&amp;product_id=56">https://web.archive.org/web/20140702124 … duct_id=56</a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2016 02:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Getting Good Results]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I need to get the resolution down to at least same as SD2 0.05mm to be of any use. also can delays be reduced to speed scan times without making bad scans? I dont understand how some can do high res scans in minutes yet others including myself take at least 2 hours</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2016 21:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Getting Good Results]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I was hoping to scan some of my other small scale items I make using other methods into an STL file so I could 3D print them also and cut back on some of that old school manufacturing but now that seems out of the question. wish I had used the money to buy one of these instead <a href="http://lixpen.com/#buyIt">http://lixpen.com/#buyIt</a> to add to my 3D tools to improve prints from my SD2 and create detail addons for them. maybe buy some upgrades for my SD2 also.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2016 05:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>hairu526 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>ATLAS 3D has a max detail level of 0.25 mm, not 0.001 mm.</p></blockquote></div><p>the out of focus camera wont see anything that small as anything but a wide blur. maybe after its been torn down and focused to proper Macro focal point which is anything less than 2-3 feet from lens. then yes I can see that. the &quot;noise&quot; I am seeing is well over 2.5mm which is a full decimal point thicker than that. my small models only vaguely resemble a ghostly fog of what the model is when scanned (and thats only due to color view on some models)in basic shape. most dont even show large parts like Wheels etc much less windows and door seams or grills etc.</p><p>just wish this had been reported before I bought one. its disappointing to learn after the fact. also some materials/components used in the kit are very poor quality like the power supply that refuses to stay plugged in and not loose connection most of the time within minutes of starting a scan. wasting my time with restarts. this is very frustrating since the Scanner has no battery backup or memory of scan that was interrupted. good power connection is imperative for operation of the device at all times. the push button power switch too has erratic connections at times.<br /> photos of finished scans without color would likely have shown how little detail was actually captured.</p><p>kinda like some 3D file depositories I have searched through that have 3D color images of say a building but the STL file is only a rectangle box with no 3D details at all not even a doorway or windowsill. that is purposely misleading and not truly a 3D file. who buys a 3D printer to print bulk dimensional building materials available at a local lumber yard priced by the board foot?</p><p>those virtual 3D photo files are only for use by an architect for presentation apps on a screen in a board room meeting. not even a display model. and low poly 3D items have very little value in retail to support the cost of equipment used to 3D print same. only unique 1 off R&amp;D/Prototype items or very fine detailed models near impossible to create using conventional methods without lots of tool &amp; die work etc before hand like in mass production are mainly what 3D printing is proficient at.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2016 05:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Getting Good Results]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>ATLAS 3D has a max detail level of 0.25 mm, not 0.001 mm.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2016 23:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Getting Good Results]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>undo is like saving 50 dif steps of the model where saving over writes the file making any previous steps imposible to go back to.</p><p>I am good at micro detail work but afraid to mess with the camera getting glue off without ruining camera (popping it oc PCB) also have to disassemble partly to get camera back out of Atlas without ruining it also. but seems the only way to maybe achieve what I need to be able to scan tiny objects.</p><p>also need to see if I would be able to merge multi scans well enough that tiny with limited zoom. my eyes aint young anymore lol. those tiny wrinkle lines on my scans make a huge difference on misro size objects I print. I would say ATM the Atlas scanner resolution is at best down to 2mm (low poly) I need 0.001 min to be usable as high resolution as it states.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2016 22:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Getting Good Results]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I guess we just have different experiences with Meshlab.&nbsp; I really have no trouble moving, rotating or zooming to get to the exact spot that I need to clean up.&nbsp; I am able to zoom in so far that I can delete individual points in the point cloud.&nbsp; The one feature I found that I do miss is an undo, I solve this one by saving often after any substantial work.&nbsp; </p><p>If you want to be able to do pretty much anything you can think of with an STL file try Blender.&nbsp; It has a huge learning curve but worth it in the end in my opinion.&nbsp; It is more flexible than any other free program that I have come across for working with STL files which is what you seem to like to work with.</p><p>If you want quick scanning structured light is the way to go but you are going to spend a lot more money if you go the kit route.</p><p>You do need to focus the camera, you will be surprised at the level of detail you can pick up with a focused camera.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2016 12:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>yeah same here on searching for answers. seems the search engine is not as good as some. I went through that tutorial but still have lots more questions about meshlab I cant find anywhere let alone in Meshlab. meshmixer is also hard to learn but has much more options not found in Meshlab. I mostly have been working with STL files and a couple related or converted to/from esy like Sketchup, Blender, etc. Sketchup 8 has tons of features for tweaking those files I have imported STL to it, modified several aspects then exported fixed STL&nbsp; I have removed &quot;hidden Geometry several layers deep, moved all around and into files to see things embedded in files either needing removed, repaired, rearranged, etc and can manipulate the file anyway needed. each program has pros and cons or different features. main trouble I find with Meshlab is moving object how I need to see it for repairs, then easy saving or undo of changes including un-delete like many programs do since they auto save dozens of moves so you dont cuss yourself for bad clicks like in the Atlas connection page when you meant to click a file to save and instead click delete on the last 2 hour scan done, that Pi dont have much spare memory so its understandable. but programs running on my PC have no excuse for being stingy with memory or tools. when I try to zoom in meshlab it only moves object towards camera view to about half way across screen while moving out of the gimble and is impossible to grab and move where needed due to limits within the screen. no tape measure, magnification by %, etc its confining.&nbsp; other programs have better cleanup features, just not sure about things like merge multi scans. meshmixer does lots more with STL as to cleanup, repair, Mods etc. main feature only found on paid for programs is like removing parts of an STL that has multiple objects in 1 file or adding more which can be done in repitier host some or maybe with the other type STL besides just binary. since I mostly work with tiny files/objects I must have a way to inlarge them to see the details needing work. so far I am learning the Atlas Scanner unmodified is not high enough resolution for the models I use. wish somebody would have tried smaller/fine detailed objects than simple Troll dolls like you can buy at Dollar Tree. in the sand cast Nick Knacks or blow mold toys isles. need thinner laser lines and a focused Macro camera.</p><p>also each setting I select to improve fine details doubles scan time. just the settings I posted above take a little over 2 hours. heck I would be better off taking measurements of the item, learn better how to make CAD file and design the item from scratch like one guy whos models I print off Thingaverse. he does it in his lunch hour. now I see why Azerate sold his.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2016 05:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Getting Good Results]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>My experience is pretty much the same as @bobswika . Used Pirvan&#039;s tutorial in the forum to get ahead of the learning curve. That pretty much put you on the right track.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2016 04:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>No I would never move the camera, there is only one spot that the camera is perfectly calibrated at. I mean that I would scan the model several more times. For example I would scan the model with it on its side to capture the top and bottom. Also move the car off center for a scan. This lets the camera see the object from different angles. Each will capture some portion of the object that another one didn&#039;t. I do as many scans as needed to get the majority of the object. </p><p>I find Meshlab easy to scroll and move the object around in.&nbsp; I even often place my view inside the object looking out while I&#039;m cleaning stray noise from the scan.&nbsp; Maybe it&#039;s because I am using a mouse. </p><p>Meshlab has an align tool built in for merging the scans. Pirvan did an excellent tutorial on how to merge scans. I learned everything I know about scanning from this forum, I knew nothing when I received my scanner. It was a gift. </p><p><a href="http://www.soliforum.com/topic/13039/aligning-multiple-angle-scans-manually/">http://www.soliforum.com/topic/13039/al … -manually/</a></p><p>I didn&#039;t find any of these answers by searching, sometimes forum searches are difficult to use. This forum has less than 200 topics total. I went through them all and subscribed to the ones I though might be usefull. It&#039;s an hour spent that will save you many hours of frustration.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2016 02:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>what do you mean scans from different angles? move camera up/down for each? and how do you merge scans? meshlab seems very hard to do much with, cant even get closer look at scan for details. zoom feature is limited and moving object near impossible. I have several other apps easier to fix mod STL files etc</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2016 01:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>This is what a scan of a matchbox I had came out like unedited.&nbsp; I did not use any powder so the surface was shiny.&nbsp; If I really wanted a good scan of this the powder would be needed and likely at least 4 scans from different angles.</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?4Mtp5Yq.jpg" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?4Mtp5Yq.jpg" /></span></p><p>Ply file in meshlab.</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?GcykqC8.jpg" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?GcykqC8.jpg" /></span></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2016 01:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>PSU keeps loosing connection, need a better made one, seems internal issue more than just loose prongs.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2016 00:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>powdering model helped some but still looks like a wrinkled tarp is on item. settings used below. I may set noise removal to Med and see if that helps but doesnt seem likely.<br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?pGQwKIe.jpg" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?pGQwKIe.jpg" /></span></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2016 00:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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