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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Surface quality & extrusion issues]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/107368/#p107368</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>The only thing I can figure is that without the precise polishing the filament catches slightly and creates erratic movement of the filament as it tries to flow.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2015 03:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Surface quality & extrusion issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm.&nbsp; Interesting.&nbsp; What does that do exactly.&nbsp; Does it prevent the filament from going through smoothly?&nbsp; Is it just the heatbreak or the nozzle too?</p><p>Anyway, one of the things I did last night was to try different speeds, so I started the same print, but I sliced the model with the slider to maximum speed (60mm/sec).&nbsp; During the print I noticed the quality of the surface got worse, so while it was printing I reduced the speed with the manual feedrate slider to 64 (percent I presume, so about 40mm/sec), and let it print.&nbsp; The surface quality improved dramatically.</p><p>So this morning, I PID&#039;d the extruder to 230°C, set the speed slider to minimum (40mm/sec), and sliced a different model, that is lot more complicated that the one above, and requires support as well.&nbsp; It&#039;s printing right now, and we&#039;ll see what it looks like about 12 hours from now.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (pirvan)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2015 18:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Surface quality & extrusion issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>wardjr means the inside of the heatbreak specifically. A good test would be PLA; if the heatbreak isn&#039;t well polished it will jam quick.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (jagowilson)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2015 15:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Surface quality & extrusion issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Basically, and this is all I wish to say about it, the interior isn&#039;t as polished.&nbsp; For whatever reason it causes what you are seeing.&nbsp; Whereas your top layer smoothness is dictated by the exterior of the nozzle.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (wardjr)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Surface quality & extrusion issues]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/107310/#p107310</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>AZERATE wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Temp curve, yup! Sorry...long week <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /><br />I would recommend performing your PID tuning then go from there. If the fan on the hotend is active and your temp is true, then we can move to another consideration.</p><p><strong> I am not </strong> attempting to tell you you should have done anything. It&#039;s your money, spend it however makes you happy! But the clones have been reported to give off odd, erratic, poor, or even dangerous results. It could be a fine tuning needed, or even poor tolerances from the manufacturer.<br />Keep us posted!</p></blockquote></div><p>OK, since you brought it up, how does poor tolerances affect the quality of the print?</p><p>I can understand clogs, jams, or other mechanical issues, but I don&#039;t have any of those problems.&nbsp; </p><p>I have an issue that creates poor quality outer surfaces, but produces very good quality top surfaces.&nbsp; Basically the outer perimeter of my prints isn&#039;t smooth.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2015 04:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Surface quality & extrusion issues]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/107309/#p107309</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>carl_m1968 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>This says you are printing at 50mm/s. That is extremely fast for a .1 layer height. You need to raise your temp more and confirm it is accurate. You should also be printing at 30mm/s or lower for s .1 layer.</p></blockquote></div><p>Regarding speed, before the hot end change, I used to print routinely at 60-65mm/sec at .1mm layers (I seldom print anything other than .1mm layers).&nbsp; Why I dialed the speed down since I got this hot end, I don&#039;t really know.</p><p>Regarding temps.&nbsp; I only have an IR thermometer, and frankly I don&#039;t put a lot of stock in its accuracy, but according to it, my temps are 187°C, when thermistor reports 230°C</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2015 04:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Surface quality & extrusion issues]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/107308/#p107308</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Temp curve, yup! Sorry...long week <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /><br />I would recommend performing your PID tuning then go from there. If the fan on the hotend is active and your temp is true, then we can move to another consideration.</p><p><strong> I am not </strong> attempting to tell you you should have done anything. It&#039;s your money, spend it however makes you happy! But the clones have been reported to give off odd, erratic, poor, or even dangerous results. It could be a fine tuning needed, or even poor tolerances from the manufacturer.<br />Keep us posted!</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (AZERATE)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2015 04:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Surface quality & extrusion issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>AZERATE wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>What does the temp chart look like during the print?</p></blockquote></div><p>If by Temp Chart you&#039;re referring to the temp curve, here it is.&nbsp; This is a 5 minute window about half way into the print.</p><p>It looks a little jaggy, probably because the extruder is currently PID&#039;d for 220°C, not 230°C.&nbsp; However the largest deviation is no more than ±1°C</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&amp;item=9254" alt="http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&amp;amp;item=9254" /></span></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (pirvan)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2015 04:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Surface quality & extrusion issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>pirvan wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>carl_m1968 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>What speed are you printing at. That looks like under extrusion based on speed as in it being too fast for your temp snd layer height. Instead of letting the layer lay naturally it is being stretched slightly which is giving it that dry sandy look.</p></blockquote></div><p>I&#039;m not printing fast at all.&nbsp; Here is a screenshot of my settings, which is what I used for this model.&nbsp; The extrusion temperature is usually 220°C, but for this particular filament was set at 230°C.</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&amp;item=9253" alt="http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&amp;amp;item=9253" /></span></p></blockquote></div><p>This says you are printing at 50mm/s. That is extremely fast for a .1 layer height. You need to raise your temp more and confirm it is accurate. You should also be printing at 30mm/s or lower for s .1 layer.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (carl_m1968)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2015 04:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Surface quality & extrusion issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Have you confirmed your reported temp is accurate. You may be running well below what you think you are.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (carl_m1968)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2015 03:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Surface quality & extrusion issues]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/107304/#p107304</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>carl_m1968 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>What speed are you printing at. That looks like under extrusion based on speed as in it being too fast for your temp snd layer height. Instead of letting the layer lay naturally it is being stretched slightly which is giving it that dry sandy look.</p></blockquote></div><p>I&#039;m not printing fast at all.&nbsp; Here is a screenshot of my settings, which is what I used for this model.&nbsp; The extrusion temperature is usually 220°C, but for this particular filament was set at 230°C.</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&amp;item=9253" alt="http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&amp;amp;item=9253" /></span></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (pirvan)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2015 03:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Surface quality & extrusion issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;d focus on temps also.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (wardjr)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2015 03:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Surface quality & extrusion issues]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/107301/#p107301</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>What does the temp chart look like during the print?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (AZERATE)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2015 03:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Surface quality & extrusion issues]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/107300/#p107300</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>What speed are you printing at. That looks like under extrusion based on speed as in it being too fast for your temp snd layer height. Instead of letting the layer lay naturally it is being stretched slightly which is giving it that dry sandy look.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (carl_m1968)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2015 03:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Surface quality & extrusion issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>So for the past couple of months I&#039;ve ben struggling with the quality of the vertical surfaces of my prints.&nbsp; </p><p>Ever since I put an all metal hot end on my SD3 I haven&#039;t been able to dial it in to get clean prints.&nbsp; The hot end is NOT an E3D, it&#039;s some kind of a clone.&nbsp; I have no mechanical issues with it, it extrudes fine, no jams or anything, and the top surfaces it produces are superior to the top surfaces I was getting from my original MG PLus.</p><p>However, vertical surfaces are simply horrible.&nbsp; I calibrated the extrusion multiplier, I adjusted vRef (by feel), tried all kinds of permutations of extrusion temps, speeds, retraction, Z-Hop, you name it, it still sucks.</p><p>Dimensionally, it produces accurate models, and when printing mechanical type objects, it&#039;s fine, but on finely detailed models like the one in the photos, it simply won&#039;t cut it. </p><p>Besides looking scruffy, the material also looks &quot;dry&quot; (dull and &quot;sandy&quot; looking).&nbsp; But the top surfaces look nice, smooth and shiny.</p><p>Any comments and suggestions (other than &quot;you should have bought an E3D&quot;) would be appreciated.&nbsp; </p><p>Thanks.</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&amp;item=9252" alt="http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&amp;amp;item=9252" /></span></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (pirvan)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2015 03:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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