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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Bed heating accelerator - with proof]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I just put on a bed thick cardboard square.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 08:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Bed heating accelerator - with proof]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I just finished my auto-retracting bed cover:</p><p><a href="http://www.soliforum.com/post/12339/#p12339">http://www.soliforum.com/post/12339/#p12339</a></p><p>Using 1/4&quot; cork glued onto 1/4&quot; MDF, 50degC -&gt; 95degC in 9 minutes flat.&nbsp; &nbsp;Cork is supposed to ignite at 300-320 degC, so it seems safe for this application.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (tealvince)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2013 20:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Bed heating accelerator - with proof]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>cmetzel wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Found this while picking up some things at Walmart in the pots and pans section on one of those clip on racks hanging from a shelf.&nbsp; I think it was only a couple dollars $2.99 maybe?&nbsp; It&#039;s a silicone pot holder and trivet.&nbsp; It&#039;s sold under the brand name gourmet club, and is distributed by Best Brands.&nbsp; It says it&#039;s up to 450F heat resistant (=232C) so it should never be an issue of burning or melting to the bed.&nbsp; &nbsp;</p><p>My test was to start a timer at exactly 50C and stop at 95C <br />Control test was just glass and alum bed.&nbsp; 22m 31s <br />W/ pot holder on glass time was improved to&nbsp; 14m 32s</p><p>8 minute improvement seems worth it to me, saves me from starting my prints too early when I get impatient.</p></blockquote></div><p>I picked up a pack of two at our local Meijer store for $4.99. They are square and fit perfectly on the bed.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 13:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Bed heating accelerator - with proof]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/12146/#p12146</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>The best way to accelerate bed heating for me was still to just switch to glass+hair spray.&nbsp; You can print at 70C instead of 90C+ and you don&#039;t need to wait for prints to cooldown before starting another print as you just switch out to another piece of glass.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (nickythegreek)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 14:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Bed heating accelerator - with proof]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>random thought.. and i haven&#039;t tried it..</p><p>how about using an external heating device to preheat the glass ready to just swap out on the already heated bed..?&nbsp; i have a $15 toaster oven in my workshop that i use to dry out plaster models, if i have it turned on to low with the glass sheets sitting inside, then all i need to do is take one out, spray hairspray, clip on and print..</p><p>i have just scored an order for about 200 prints of a simple token design, have already got the glass bed thing down, with multiple sheets of glass and quick clips from a picture frame.. am thinking i will give this a go to try and save myself some wait time..</p><p>(though i have to say the wait time gives me a good reason to catch up on a lot of other little jobs in the &#039;shop)</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 11:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Bed heating accelerator - with proof]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/12061/#p12061</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>using a towel / face cloth, 50 deg - 95 deg - 8 minutes 17 seconds</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 20:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Bed heating accelerator - with proof]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>When I had my S1, with no heated bed, I tried several things to get the ambient up, including putting an IR heat lamp over the top of the printer.&nbsp; I ended up softening the acrylic of the extruder enough that it bent from the pressure of the idler spring.&nbsp; If you are using a strong heat gun, definitely avoid pointing it at the extruder and keep something like a meat thermometer tucked in there somewhere to watch the ambient temperature.&nbsp; </p><p>One thing I&#039;ve done is run a thermocouple along the wire bundle with the end of it near the extruder.&nbsp; &nbsp;That way I could keep an eye on the ambient while blowing the space heater into the case, and make sure it doesn&#039;t get hot enough to endanger the extruder.&nbsp; &nbsp;You might start to get into trouble with it at around 70-80c.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 19:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Bed heating accelerator - with proof]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/11780/#p11780</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Using a block of styrofoam, it took me 9 minutes to go from 27C to 95C.&nbsp; </p><p>I don&#039;t really recommend ordinary styrofoam at this point due to its combustibility, but I need something rigid and non-sticky to work with the automatic retraction mechanism I&#039;m currently building.&nbsp; </p><p>Dow makes an orange fireblock version of it foam-in-a-can product, so I&#039;m thinking I might spray some between two soapy sheets of glass to mold my own fire resistant bed cover.&nbsp; Might work.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 19:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Is there no danger to blasting 600F at the wires in the enclosed case, even if it&#039;s just premature fatigue I wouldn&#039;t do that myself.&nbsp; I haven&#039;t the slightest official idea if that&#039;s even a concern but it just doesn&#039;t sit right with me.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (cmetzel)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 19:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>3 minutes 29 seconds for 1200 watt heatgun, nozzle just outside enclosed cage through the doorway and waving left to right moderately.&nbsp; I didn&#039;t turn on the gun until the temp reached 50.&nbsp; See the attached Heat Gun.jpg</p><p> I&#039;m usually just reheating the bed so it takes much less time.&nbsp; A full heat up from 20c is not much more time.</p><p>I also have a 8x8 silicone mat from QU-BD on my CNC.&nbsp; It takes 10 minutes to get up to temp from 20c and that is without the heat gun.&nbsp; I&#039;m sure the 6x6 would heat up faster so that might be a good alternative since you don&#039;t have to hold a 600 degree Farenheight gun and worry about where you put it down.&nbsp; I&#039;ve already melted the wires of the gun by putting it down wrong.</p><p>Interested to see the unscientific results of this compilation.</p><p>Also, how do I run PID Autotune on the heat bed, you can see it wobble in the graph.&nbsp; Do I just swap connections and run the M303?&nbsp; I think it is the same Thermistor settings in Firmware.</p><p>TheBogueRat</p><p>p.s. Don&#039;t laugh at my enclosure, it works great!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 18:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Lets get a list of all these different ones together and we can check times.</p><p>Glass on Stock Bed - 22.5m warmup from 50C to 95C</p><ul><li><p>Silicone Mat - 8min improvement</p></li><li><p>Welding Blanking</p></li><li><p>Foam Block</p></li><li><p>Cardboard</p></li><li><p>Heat Gun - 18min improvement</p></li><li><p>Microwavable heat pad</p></li><li><p>Towel</p></li></ul>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (nickythegreek)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 16:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>If any of you remember I&#039;d love to see times from 50C to 95C so we can see if there&#039;s a big difference between methods.&nbsp; I know some of the redesigned beds are much faster but I&#039;m not likely to ever go that route.&nbsp; Also I don&#039;t like the thought of the heat gun blasting in there.&nbsp; Wire fatigue, wood distortion even bed distortion I would be concerned about long term.&nbsp; </p><p>If anyone has the bags from cornhole or whatever you call it locally try microwaving them and setting them on top of the bed.&nbsp; I don&#039;t have the game or I&#039;d try it.&nbsp; I always thought that would be a great solution but haven&#039;t tested it.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (cmetzel)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 14:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/11742/#p11742</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I just stick a towel on top - one for drying the dishes <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> - i havent recorded time differences; but once the bed has reached 70 degrees or so, it may move up 0.1 deg. every 3-6 seconds, now with the towel it jumps, 0.2-0.3 every 3 seconds... marked improvement!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 12:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>QU-BD silicone bed performance is exceptional with about 3 minute heating time. Not a straightforward mod however.</p><p>My solution before this was to leave the heater on all day for the bed on days when I was using it.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 03:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Tomek wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>bahstrike wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Wavesurf wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I use a hot air gun to get up to 90c in under 3 minutes.</p></blockquote></div><p>That&#039;s fast.. about the same time it takes the extruder to come up to temp!<br />Are you using a glass bed?&nbsp; If so, and you have no cracking, that&#039;s impressive and I might consider it.<br />How far away do you hold it?</p><p>I tend to use my hot air SMT rework station for everything including heatshrink, so I could repurpose the hot air gun for this XD</p></blockquote></div><p>It&#039;s unlikely to be as powerful. A heatgun is typically 1000 W at least, and your hotair station is almost certainly not above 200 watts.&nbsp; </p><p>That said, you would want some sort of diffuser, and it could help. You can make a cone of alu foil in front of the hot air gun maybe, and a fan on the exit. I&#039;m not sure <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p></blockquote></div><br /><p>The SMT rework station is 500w&nbsp; but I wasn&#039;t going to use that baby for heating the bed&nbsp; <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /></p><p>The heat gun is 1100w but I only ever bought it for heatshrink-&nbsp; which the SMT rework does fine with.<br />So the heatgun just sits in the closet, waiting for a purpose&nbsp; <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 22:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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