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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Thoughts on bed leveling screws?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Depending on how the springs were set up, the bed will recenter itself most of the time.&nbsp; </p><p>I look at my bed during printing, and I often see it move slightly during printing, yet my prints are fine, the layers line up just fine, and I don&#039;t have any weird artifacts, so I can only assume the bed re-centers itself nearly instantaneously.</p><p>As far as my springs are concerned, I used springs that were just large enough (inside diameter) to accommodate the screws.&nbsp; I also printed some plastic holder &quot;cups&quot; that fit at the bottom of the Alu bed and keep the spring centered on the hole.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2015 04:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Thoughts on bed leveling screws?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. A good thought.</p><p>So ideally we want:<br />(1) Highly repeatable locating of the bed surface<br />(2) Ease of use &amp; accurate/predictable adjustment<br />(3) Doesn&#039;t ruin the print as a result of reasonably probable surface defects</p><p>&#039;Give&#039; in the bed likely undermines (1), and depending on the arrangement, sometimes (2). While it does appreciably achieve (3), I also don&#039;t think it&#039;s the only mitigation available - what about z-lift? Especially if the bed + z axis are to be well designed anyway?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2015 03:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Thoughts on bed leveling screws?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>One of the advantages of having a bed that can &quot;give&quot; a little when you press down on it is that the print head can go over a bump without binding, or grinding to a stop.&nbsp; Basically, the springs push the bed up, but can springs can also give a bit if needed</p><p>If you have a design like the one you&#039;re thinking about, you have a spring, or bungee cord, or something that pulls the bed down, but you&#039;re using a screw to push it back up.&nbsp; That design doesn&#039;t allow for any downward motion, hence, no &quot;give&quot;.&nbsp; If you ever have a bump on the surface of your print, your print head will hit it, and never be able to push down to go over it, it will either crash through it, or grind to a stop.</p><p>Just a thought....</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2015 19:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Thoughts on bed leveling screws?]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/98644/#p98644</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t think a bed stabilizer will be a problem - I&#039;m already planning on having the bed run up and down on v-slot rails at all 4 corners (how many wheels and how I arrange them are still up in the air, but I certainly hope that 4 corner support makes it very stable).</p><p>As far as actually adjusting the bed to make it level, I keep thinking I ought to be able to interface my <a href="http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:805139">renishaw probe</a> to a program that can sample various points on the bed, compute the best plane, then tell me exactly how much to turn which screws to make it level :-).</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Claghorn)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2015 11:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Thoughts on bed leveling screws?]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/98635/#p98635</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hooray! Screws-from-bottom is a much more sensible option, it&#039;s in my grand plan too... I&#039;ve never driven my nozzle into the bed. I have an endstop for that. So making the bed all wobbly seems like a terrible compromise for an unused precautionary function! A rigid bed would make life a lot easier I think.</p><p>Thus, I have a few ideas you might enjoy! Note they&#039;re all just thoughts, don&#039;t have any real experience to share yet. Here goes:</p><p>Have a look at optical/laser mirror mounts for how you get highly repeatable, vibration-proof angular adjustment: <a href="http://www.newport.com/Optical-Mirror-Mount-Technology-Guide/1012753/1033/content.aspx">http://www.newport.com/Optical-Mirror-M … ntent.aspx</a></p><p>Aim of the game is:<br />* Restrain 6 and only 6 degrees of freedom<br />* Everything is as rigid as is practicable (Solidoodle seemed not to care too much about this)<br />* Allow for thermal expansion</p><p>Given we have a z-stop adjustment, theoretically you only need two screws to level the bed, and the third (probably the back) could be fixed. Even so, I&#039;d keep 3 screws, as it&#039;s quite convenient to adjust the last bit of bed level using the bed screws (during a print!) rather than adjusting the endstop and rehoming.</p><p>Use metric screws (welcome to the future!). You can then put calibrated (locking?) knobs on the bottom and know exactly how much you&#039;ve adjusted the height in each point in real units.</p><p>Use a hex-head bolt, as you should be able to make a spiffy printed knob that will press-fit in and glue up nicely, and reliably transmit rotation to the bolt (unlike the glue-on threaded jobs I&#039;ve got on the bottom of my screws at the moment... Sigh!).</p><p>If you use M4 screws (0.7mm pitch, unfortunately a bit awkward), there are threaded steel balls on the internet designed for use on Kossel-style delta printer arms for very few $$ - these could be used on the end of the adjustment screws for a nice low-wear, repeatable interface to a countersunk hole, for example...</p><p>Support all three screws from rocking sideways to keep the bed laterally stable (unlike the stock one, which resembles seaweed in the surf) - maybe ones with a longer shank would be good, as the plain part of the bolt will be easy to support snugly in a drilled hole.</p><p>Best place to put the springs without causing bending of the bed is close to each of the screws. Note in the mirror mounts above, they but a very strong spring right next to the ball. You only need enough pressure to overcome any lifting forces - of which there is not much under normal printing conditions. If you&#039;ve got an arrangement (say a ball in a shallow countersunk hole) that might pop out with enough lateral force, then a bit more downward pressure is a good thing to hold it in place.</p><p>Careful of thermal expansion. Aluminium, with a temp diff of 100C, will expand 0.44mm over 200mm (bed width). So if you&#039;re restraining the hot alu plate, make sure you don&#039;t over-constrain it (as the above might do) as 0.5mm is pretty significant. Maybe do the C/S hole + ball thing only on the back screw, then just plain balls running on the flat bottom of the bed for the front two, and some kind of tab in the front middle restrained for left/right movement to stop the bed rotating around the rear pivot point (hooray, 6dof!).</p><p>Try to attach the glass plate without putting anything under it - try and get it to touch the alu plate directly. Then if you swap plates (assuming they&#039;re a consistent thickness) you&#039;ll get repeatable height, and the heat transfer will be as even as possible. Maybe for a glass plate that overhangs, jb-weld (higher temp withstanding than regular epoxy) some washers to the bottom and use magnets (magnets on springs??). To locate it laterally (so it doesn&#039;t slip around during printing - repeatability of x/y when changing plates is not so much a concern I think) maybe fixed lip (&lt;= glass thickness) to locate along back and one side, and something with a little bit of give you can clamp against the edge on the front and other sides (e.g. lever action from underneath somewhere. Edges of the bed are colder than the middle, so definitely ok for printed parts here. If your plates vary in size, you can then adjust for this. If you re-use the same plate, then it just gets stuffed back in maybe.</p><p>And the rigidity of the bed itself is only as good as the rigidity of how it&#039;s mounted to the machine... So make sure you implement some kind of bed stabiliser, and get your z-axis nice and backlash-free / repeatable.</p><p>tl;dr - great idea, go for it. <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2015 05:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Thoughts on bed leveling screws?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>The traditional bed always seems to be mounted with screws that run through the bed and have springs pushing the bed up.</p><p>It occurs to me that an alternate mechanism might be to pull the bed down with a bungie or springs and have screws that press up on the bottom to level the bed.</p><p>This was just a random idea that popped into my head that I started wondering about, not a revolutionary improvement that was researched over years :-).</p><p>Any thoughts on advantages or disadvantages of the two techniques?</p><p>A couple of things I&#039;ve though of:</p><p>traditional: The nozzle can run away and crash into the print bed and will push it down against the springs rather than cracking the glass or breaking the nozzle.</p><p>new: You can actually turn the screws from the correct end, you don&#039;t need to rig up a way to turn them from the wrong end.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Claghorn)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2015 12:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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