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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Jamming only after idle]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/10695/#p10695</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jooshs wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>It has a melting point of ~343, but a glass transition at 185 and only retains its mechanical properties at 250 continuously.</p><p><a href="http://www.boedeker.com/peek_p.htm">http://www.boedeker.com/peek_p.htm</a></p><p>Thermistors are usually here, but sold out right now. I have several extra if you&#039;re in a bind. </p><p><a href="http://www.panucatt.com/Azteeg_X3_reprap_3d_printer_controller_p/ax33dp.htm">http://www.panucatt.com/Azteeg_X3_repra … ax33dp.htm</a></p></blockquote></div><p>You&#039;ve nailed it on the head there. Lots of printers seem to have the peek insulator issue, and <br />even some premium hot ends use it. There are some alternatives (I think I&#039;ve seen cermaic,<br />believe it or not) but they are somewhat less practical.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Jamming only after idle]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Alright, it seems I had two issues:</p><p>1.) Skipping steps only on restart - this was because the brass barrel was not tight enough into the PEEK, I think<br />2.) Occasional missed steps when printing - this was because my filament diameter in slic3r was set to like 1.7x, and my filament was 1.8x. I slowed down the feedrate, and it&#039;s not missing steps anymore. Need to do another single wall calibration.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 00:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>No divot that I can see - the motor is skipping, but not slipping against the filament. No dust on the idler wheel.</p><p>I can see one thread poking out from the thumbnut on the spring tensioner.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 23:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>elmoret wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Occasionally skipping steps again. Gonna throw this thing out the window soon.</p></blockquote></div><p>When it skips, is it cutting a divot in the filament?&nbsp; What kind of pressure setting do you have on the idler bearing?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 23:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>devilman2075 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Qubd offers thermisters a dollar a pop. Should have looked around on the site, you can get basically everything you&#039;d need right from them.</p></blockquote></div><p>Didn&#039;t know I needed another one until now!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 06:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Qubd offers thermisters a dollar a pop. Should have looked around on the site, you can get basically everything you&#039;d need right from them.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 05:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jooshs wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Thermistors are usually here, but sold out right now. I have several extra if you&#039;re in a bind. </p><p><a href="http://www.panucatt.com/Azteeg_X3_reprap_3d_printer_controller_p/ax33dp.htm">http://www.panucatt.com/Azteeg_X3_repra … ax33dp.htm</a></p></blockquote></div><p>What&#039;d they run you? I&#039;d be happy to take one off your hands, shoot me a PM.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 05:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Occasionally skipping steps again. Gonna throw this thing out the window soon.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (elmoret)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 05:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Jamming only after idle]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>It has a melting point of ~343, but a glass transition at 185 and only retains its mechanical properties at 250 continuously.</p><p><a href="http://www.boedeker.com/peek_p.htm">http://www.boedeker.com/peek_p.htm</a></p><p>Thermistors are usually here, but sold out right now. I have several extra if you&#039;re in a bind. </p><p><a href="http://www.panucatt.com/Azteeg_X3_reprap_3d_printer_controller_p/ax33dp.htm">http://www.panucatt.com/Azteeg_X3_repra … ax33dp.htm</a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 05:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Jamming only after idle]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>PEEK&#039;s melting point is 343C.</p><p>The thermistor is no longer located on the outside of the nozzle. Not even on the outside of the heater block (which would run hotter than the nozzle, by necessity), but buried in the heater block, right up next to the brass barrel. It&#039;d be like wrapping the thermistor inside of the nichrome wire when making the sold style Solidoodle hot ends.</p><p>It&#039;s quite possible that the thermister is not calibrated well anymore. The batteries in my Fluke are dead, so I can&#039;t check it. Anyone know where to get a new one? Everything I&#039;ve read says they&#039;re EPCOS 100k, but there are many models of that.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 04:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>elmoret wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I tightened the barrel with respect to the PEEK about 2 full turns, took the temperature to 270C, been doing ok so far.</p></blockquote></div><br /><p>What are you doing..?</p><p>If your temp is at 270C you are doing something wrong, and/or have a very poorly calibrated thermistor. 270C is substantially above PEAK&#039;s melting point.</p><br /><p>Am I missing something? I just came back from running outside so I might have skimmed too much</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 04:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I tightened the barrel with respect to the PEEK about 2 full turns, took the temperature to 270C, been doing ok so far.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (elmoret)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>For the amount of prints I get, it&#039;s still a good deal. I wish there was a more reliable solution but I haven&#039;t invented one yet, so I won&#039;t complain too much. I&#039;m still pretty convinced there were issues with the black filament causing one problem and that wire bundle just broke down over time causing inconsistent connections for the thermistor and hot end. If you can get the heater barrel out, you should be able to tell if the PEEK threads started melting. </p><p>Also sounds like the filament might be softening above the hot end if you can back it out and then put it back in and it extrudes fine. May be time to try the cold end of the hot end cooling.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 02:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>A few more words...</p><p>I have the thermister in the smaller of the two holes above, perpendicular to the barrel. It won&#039;t extrude under about 220C. 220C-250C it extrudes fine once it&#039;s gotten going.</p><p>If I back the filament all the way out and back in again, it will extrude fine.</p><p>Four hot ends? At $60/ each? This is becoming an expensive hobby...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 02:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the PEEK has inconsistencies in the point at which it softens. I&#039;ve been through 4 hotends since August and some of them just started melting out at lower temperatures. I could always tell it was about to happen because of what you were describing. It would start with that, and then a little portion of the seal at the bottom of the PEEK would start to soften and ABS would start oozing. As soon as it softens at all, you&#039;re toast. I&#039;ve also read the ABS tends to have back flow issues and expand at the top of the PEEK barrel. This is supposed to happen between the top of the heater barrel and the bottom of the Teflon disk. Any nozzle from SD I took apart did not get anywhere near the Teflon disk. The pressure builds and it has to work its way into the threads of the PEEK and or expand up where it cools, hardens, and impedes the filament.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 02:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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