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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Trinamic SilentStepStick 256x Stepper Drivers]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;d say more like 3 months.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-02-12T13:54:48Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Trinamic SilentStepStick 256x Stepper Drivers]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>The final boards will also have an extra pin that will allow the main board to control the current output of the drivers.&nbsp; Should you have a board that supports this, you can simply ignore the analog potentiometer and set the current through software.</p></blockquote></div><p>That is going to be huge!&nbsp; What a great improvement.&nbsp; Personally, I&#039;ll be waiting a while until there is a finale version of these that comes assembled and doesn&#039;t require soldering and there is an electronics board available that can make use of the above, but its cool to see what is on the horizon.&nbsp; Maybe another year or couple years?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[mdrVB6]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-02-12T13:44:33Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Trinamic SilentStepStick 256x Stepper Drivers]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Oh man. Here we go again...</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>carl_m1968 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>This was on an Azteeg X1 board. One of the best controllers out there.</p></blockquote></div><p>The Azteeg part doesn&#039;t matter (we are discussing drivers here), since it isn&#039;t what actually drives the steppers. Actually the Azteeg could have been the limiting factor, but we&#039;ll get to that in a moment.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>carl_m1968 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I think I have some expertise and experience in the field just like you.</p></blockquote></div><p>You may have experienced some things, but you may not have the knowledge/education to be able to interpret those experiences correctly. For example, Marlin can issue step commands at 10khz. This works out to about 65mm/sec at 32x micro stepping and typical pulley sizes. Beyond this, steps will be missed. Therefore, even with &quot;one of the best controllers out there&quot; (it isn&#039;t), the limiting factor is the controller, not the stepper driver.</p><p>The Trinamic drivers overcome this problem by *interpolating* the micro stepping. The accept a 16x microstep input, then interpolate it to 256x. This reduces load on the controller&#039;s interrupt routine.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>carl_m1968 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>There are even forums talking about the issues if you did a quick Google search. Just Google motor not working at 32X</p></blockquote></div><p>I did a search for this, the first 3 pages returned nothing related to 3D printing or stepper motors at all.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>carl_m1968 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>or motor skips at 32X just to name a few.</p></blockquote></div><p>Searching this, the only thing I could really find pointed to the issue I mentioned above, Marlin&#039;s step rate limitation:</p><p><a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/trinitylabs-talk/vwTLZzkog1s">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic … wTLZzkog1s</a></p><p>It is also possible that you did not configure your stepper drivers correctly. For example, not setting the decay rate properly:</p><p><a href="http://reprap.harleystudio.co.za/stepstuck-revisited-drv8825/">http://reprap.harleystudio.co.za/stepst … d-drv8825/</a></p><p><a href="http://ebldc.com/?p=86">http://ebldc.com/?p=86</a></p><p>As for the benefits of 32x micro stepping:</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/wmfootball75/PhotoDec10100453PM.jpg" alt="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/wmfootball75/PhotoDec10100453PM.jpg" /></span><br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/wmfootball75/PhotoDec10100449PM.jpg" alt="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/wmfootball75/PhotoDec10100449PM.jpg" /></span></p><p>The top was printed at 16x. The bottom, 32x.</p><p>I have no doubt that you have experiences. But without understanding the underlying theory, you are making statements that are not grounded in truth...and that&#039;s not good for anyone.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-02-12T03:44:21Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Trinamic SilentStepStick 256x Stepper Drivers]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>elmoret wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>carl_m1968 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I doubt the regular generic 1.8 step motors most of us buy and use will even work. Many have issues doing 32x depending on their quality.</p></blockquote></div><p>Yes, those will work. That&#039;s what was used in the review videos.</p><p>I also doubt very much your claim about folks &quot;having issues&quot; with 32x. Example?</p></blockquote></div><br /><p>On my 3Dstuffmaker I had, the extruder motor would not run if I set it for 32X and&nbsp; the Y motor would start shifting layers when set to 32X. This was on an Azteeg X1 board. One of the best controllers out there. I could swap the motor and it was fine, or I could set it to 16X and never have an issue. So I could care less what you think, I am simply basing my claim on experience and the fact I have built and run 3 different printers over the years. I think I have some expertise and experience in the field just like you. There are even forums talking about the issues if you did a quick Google search. Just Google motor not working at 32X or motor skips at 32X just to name a few. It was how I found that 32X was the cause of my issues at that time, and that was 3 years ago.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[carl_m1968]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-02-12T03:13:42Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Trinamic SilentStepStick 256x Stepper Drivers]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>carl_m1968 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I doubt the regular generic 1.8 step motors most of us buy and use will even work. Many have issues doing 32x depending on their quality.</p></blockquote></div><p>Yes, those will work. That&#039;s what was used in the review videos.</p><p>I also doubt very much your claim about folks &quot;having issues&quot; with 32x. Example?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-02-12T03:03:08Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Trinamic SilentStepStick 256x Stepper Drivers]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I doubt the regular generic 1.8 step motors most of us buy and use will even work. Many have issues doing 32x depending on their quality.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2015-02-11T23:37:48Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Trinamic SilentStepStick 256x Stepper Drivers]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Personally, no. I just got them in today.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-02-11T21:27:28Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Trinamic SilentStepStick 256x Stepper Drivers]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>@Tim<br />Have you tried these yet?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[wardjr]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-02-11T21:00:00Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Trinamic SilentStepStick 256x Stepper Drivers]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Stepper Motor Driver based on a Trinamic TMC2100. Much smoother control, up to 256x micro stepping, quieter, sometimes nearly silent stepper operation. Definitely worth checking out if you haven&#039;t already!</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://static3.watterott.com/20150007_2.jpg" alt="http://static3.watterott.com/20150007_2.jpg" /></span></p><p>Features:<br />Hardware compatible with StepStick and Pololu A4988<br />Drive capability up to 1.2A continuous coil current (&gt;2A peak)<br />Step/Dir interface with microstep interpolation (up to 256 microsteps)<br />Motor voltage: 4.75...46V<br />stealthChop - for quiet operation and smooth motion<br />spreadCycle - highly dynamic motor control chopper</p><p>Reviews:<br /><div class="fancy_video_tag_player"><iframe class="youtube-player" type="text/html" width="640" height="385" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/g6Bxoqr8QlY" frameborder="0"></iframe></div><br /><div class="fancy_video_tag_player"><iframe class="youtube-player" type="text/html" width="640" height="385" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/mYuZqx8xwTg" frameborder="0"></iframe></div></p><p>Further infos on the GitHub project page: github.com/watterott/SilentStepStick</p><p><a href="http://www.filastruder.com/products/silentstepstick-tmc2100-stepper-motor-driver">A small quantity are available through Filastruder - the OEM (Watterott) is currently backordered.</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-02-11T19:21:38Z</updated>
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