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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: FIRE CLEANING Filastruder Wall Contamination - [ Filastruder Renewal ]]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>elmoret wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Horray! I&#039;m reluctant to recommend fire right off the bat because I don&#039;t want people to burn themselves, but it certainly seems to be effective.</p></blockquote></div><br /><p>Update: Hi, We have now done this 5 times (about twice a year). The filastruder still works just fine with the repeated burning off of all the plastic at high temperature.</p><p>So yes, i can confirm that, very high temperature cleaning using fire , (till the plastic vaporises) is a Very very effective method of cleaning the contamination and clogs from the filastruder,&nbsp; making it almost Like New again.</p><p>The key to avoid material deformation is to let it cool slowly and don&#039;t hit it on anything. </p><p>Metal deforms easily when glowing hot. Hold gently, carefully, Don&#039;t squeeze it hard.</p><p>We let it sit vertically on some stone / brick outdoors on concrete and torch it with a blowtorch with a soup can cut in half into a &quot;C&quot; shape to retain the flame and heat within . Like a mini furnace. </p><p>Don&#039;t breathe in fumes. Don&#039;t position yourself downwind.</p><p>Happy extruding.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2017-12-04T09:57:55Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: FIRE CLEANING Filastruder Wall Contamination - [ Filastruder Renewal ]]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>For any/all interested, I have had success cleaning my Filastruder nozzle, couplings, etc. at 500C for anywhere from 6-9 hours, leaving them to cool slowly overnight. I understand not everyone has access to an oven that gets to these temperatures, so YMMV.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[magstang1775]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-07-11T19:48:02Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>where I work in one area they use a type of extruder&nbsp; and they do a 4 hr burnout when they change polymers.&nbsp; they are high volume and use approx 400 lb of pellets a day</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[dubbsd]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-12-23T11:58:43Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: FIRE CLEANING Filastruder Wall Contamination - [ Filastruder Renewal ]]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Assuming you remove the thermocouple and heater, all of the materials on the auger/barrel/flange/coupling/nozzle are either</p><p>steel<br />stainless steel<br />brass</p><p>So you should be good up until around 800C.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-12-22T21:28:11Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: FIRE CLEANING Filastruder Wall Contamination - [ Filastruder Renewal ]]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi all, </p><p>I&#039;m pretty new here, so not sure if I should start a new thread or not. However, I am interested in this topic. I have access to a furnace (with vent line) and am wondering if that could be used to clean out the Filastruder? Perhaps set at 500 deg or so? I&#039;m worried about the metal softening, but I have used this method in the past to clean out stainless steel machine parts.</p><p>I am working with some funky polymers (and blends of polymers, which are finicky) and may end up with burned and/or stuck material inside the hotend. Cleaning with fire (heat) is way easier than solvent-based methods.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[magstang1775]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/12847/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-12-22T19:05:14Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: FIRE CLEANING Filastruder Wall Contamination - [ Filastruder Renewal ]]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Basically we have the use of two main types of purging compounds: <br />1./ a concentrate that can be mixed through any polymer that you use: I believe this would be a very good choice for filastruder applications as most filastruder users seem to be switching grades and colours a lot: the liquid concentrate would give them the freedom to mix their own purging compounds at will: mixed into the polymer grade of choice at a ratio of some 4 pct the compound then passes through the machine: It relies on physical properties (I avoid the word &quot;chemical&quot; because that idea frightens off people without reason) to rinse and polish the screw, barrel and die. As it foams lightly it also reaches into nooks and crannies inside the machine.</p><p>2./ A ready-made compound that is specifically mixed for a specific purpose: these compounds come in the shape of ready to use pellets and can be made very potent to remove difficult polymer-residues or notoriously stubborn colours. The product usually foams and maker can even decide to mix fibreglass into the compound to make it more effective. This may be less universal than the Par 1./ solution in a filastruder environment. Plastics processing plants usually work withing a limited range of polymer grades and these may prefer a tailored purging compound.</p><p>As mentioned our own filastruder is not yet delivered so I am not yet able to check if the set of rules used in the Plastic Industry also apply to the filastruder but I am determined to find that out for you - I&#039;ve also received some kind messages from individual community members offering to test on their equipment and that might be a intermediate solution, provided said memebers would be willing to share their findings and recommendations.</p><p>This is going to be very interesting</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[filipdemoor]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-04-01T21:42:23Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: FIRE CLEANING Filastruder Wall Contamination - [ Filastruder Renewal ]]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>filipdemoor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I am totally new to the forum and in fact still waiting for our own filastruder to arrive, so please excuse me if this information has been posted before: I notice a lot of people having trouble cleaning between batches and/or colour changeovers: In an industrial environment dies and other parts are cleaned in a furnace by pyrolysis (= simply HEAT) but it is a very, very controlled environment. Torching clogged parts may seem be a solution to remove residue but to me it looks like really wild and&nbsp; uncontrolled.</p><p>Even if industrial extruder components can be cleaned by pyrolisys, operators tend to avoid this because it complicates matters and one ends up with burned residue which has to be removed anyway. Using a purging compound is the best solution to remove pollution and to clean out the barrel/screw and die between colour or product change-overs and also as a regular maintenance habit to keep things clean and shiny. </p><p>I have seen posts that mention the use of ready made so-called purging compounds which&nbsp; are offered on ebay and the likes but these products are usually too weak to do anything more than to keep a clean barrel clean for a little longer. What you people probably need is a real industrial purging/cleaning compound: one that lightly foams up once it is inside the barrel: that feature, combined with its ability to rub off residue and polish the internals is what is going to make your life easier. </p><p>We use several types of these compounds on Industrial extruders: some are universal type and are to be mixed in small quantities into the polymer granules that you are using whilst other types have been specially mixed for a specific application. When our filastruder will be up and running we intend to try the different types of compounds and will report on the outcome to the forum.</p><p>Being friendly with our supplier, we might even persuade them to make a &quot;special brew&quot; for filastruder use and he may even be persuaded to supply the product in small quantities especially for filastruder use - These outfits traditionally only sell by the pallet-load to the plastic industry and that&#039;s probably why this type of product has not yet been discovered by private users.</p><p>Would the community be interested in our findings?</p></blockquote></div><p>Massive interest. This would make my extrusion life easier, PM sent.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2015-04-01T15:15:59Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: FIRE CLEANING Filastruder Wall Contamination - [ Filastruder Renewal ]]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I think the trick with using a purging compound with a Filastruder is knowing when the purging compound is purged.&nbsp; Does it get purged itself effectively by the next plastic, and are there compatibility issues between compounds and the plastics that follow?&nbsp; I&#039;ve found that switching from ABS to PLA can be tricky because bits of ABS can show up intermittently in the PLA some time after it seems like it has been purged, depending on temperature.&nbsp; I noticed that at lower temps the PLA would drag out burnt bits of ABS while at higher temps the PLA seemed able to slide past it.&nbsp; I wonder if there would be similar concerns with purging the compound.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2015-04-01T02:07:59Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: FIRE CLEANING Filastruder Wall Contamination - [ Filastruder Renewal ]]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>filipdemoor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Torching clogged parts may seem be a solution to remove residue but to me it looks like really wild and&nbsp; uncontrolled.</p></blockquote></div><p>Welcome to the bleeding/burning edge of 3D printing technology.</p><p>It seems that a lot of lab scale extruders can be split in half along the long axis to allow access to the screw and facilitate cleaning.&nbsp; I don&#039;t see us having that ability anytime soon with out a lot cost.</p><p>This is why I stay with ABS, put the nozzle in butter container with some solvent and the barrel with some paper towels soaked in acetone.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[milehigh3dII]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/3956/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-03-31T23:58:11Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: FIRE CLEANING Filastruder Wall Contamination - [ Filastruder Renewal ]]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I am totally new to the forum and in fact still waiting for our own filastruder to arrive, so please excuse me if this information has been posted before: I notice a lot of people having trouble cleaning between batches and/or colour changeovers: In an industrial environment dies and other parts are cleaned in a furnace by pyrolysis (= simply HEAT) but it is a very, very controlled environment. Torching clogged parts may seem be a solution to remove residue but to me it looks like really wild and&nbsp; uncontrolled.</p><p>Even if industrial extruder components can be cleaned by pyrolisys, operators tend to avoid this because it complicates matters and one ends up with burned residue which has to be removed anyway. Using a purging compound is the best solution to remove pollution and to clean out the barrel/screw and die between colour or product change-overs and also as a regular maintenance habit to keep things clean and shiny. </p><p>I have seen posts that mention the use of ready made so-called purging compounds which&nbsp; are offered on ebay and the likes but these products are usually too weak to do anything more than to keep a clean barrel clean for a little longer. What you people probably need is a real industrial purging/cleaning compound: one that lightly foams up once it is inside the barrel: that feature, combined with its ability to rub off residue and polish the internals is what is going to make your life easier. </p><p>We use several types of these compounds on Industrial extruders: some are universal type and are to be mixed in small quantities into the polymer granules that you are using whilst other types have been specially mixed for a specific application. When our filastruder will be up and running we intend to try the different types of compounds and will report on the outcome to the forum.</p><p>Being friendly with our supplier, we might even persuade them to make a &quot;special brew&quot; for filastruder use and he may even be persuaded to supply the product in small quantities especially for filastruder use - These outfits traditionally only sell by the pallet-load to the plastic industry and that&#039;s probably why this type of product has not yet been discovered by private users.</p><p>Would the community be interested in our findings?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[filipdemoor]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/10302/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-03-31T23:06:23Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Horray! I&#039;m reluctant to recommend fire right off the bat because I don&#039;t want people to burn themselves, but it certainly seems to be effective.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-03-05T02:16:49Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Just tried this after some running some bad masterbatch through my filastruder - it certainly works and beats the alternative of having a non-functional machine.&nbsp; My extrusion rates are back up to what they used to be and I&#039;m very happy I tried this!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[COASTER19]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-03-05T02:10:27Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Where do you get CMYK+W pre-coloured pellets ??</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[richh001]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-03-03T18:59:19Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>i&#039;m more afraid of burning plastic fumes than experimenting.. i usually use fire to clean/remove the screen on the melt filter.<br />this isn&#039;t practical for 1+2 but i&#039;ll be using 3 for test filaments and i&#039;ll prob be torch cleaning it, 3 also extrude outside. 1+2 for abs/pla</p><p>good posts just remember everyone&#039;s setups are different and its always gonna be about what works best for you.<br />kind of the fun of it is figuring that out.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[cor5151]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-02-12T04:50:45Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, with carrier I mean the main component that holds the colors. From my limited understanding when ordering a masterbatch it&#039;s important to select the correct carrier for the plastic you are trying to color. Besides influencing the viscosity of the plastic to extrude :-)&nbsp; the carrier seems to influence the price of the masterbatch. I saw a masterbatch on ebay with PP as carrier and those prices where ridiculous low (<a href="http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Masterbatch-Granulat-PP-viele-verschiedene-Farben-Einfarbung-von-Kunststoffe-/351251905894?pt=Kunststoffe_Chemie&amp;var=&amp;hash=item51c83ebd66">http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Masterbatch-Gran … 51c83ebd66</a>). No idea however if a PP masterbatch will work well with ABS(!)</p><p>I think it&#039;s an important discussion because in an other posting you make the comment that because of these issues you rather use pre-colored pellets but as [elmoret] pointed out the price for those is higher then the uncolored material and if the carrier was to blame it&#039;s important to know.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[CFTechno]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-02-09T10:52:40Z</updated>
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