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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Filament not sticking]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I mostly use 95 for the bed, with hairspray I can usually start printing at 65 or so and still be good.&nbsp; Since I model most of my own stuff, if I know it&#039;s going to be a tricky part I put a custom brim or add some geometry that can be trimmed to help me stick.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[metamemory]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/617/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-01-06T00:35:06Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Filament not sticking]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>It might not hurt to verify the thermistor as well with a K-type thermocouple that plugs into a multimeter.&nbsp; You can tape the thermocouple on the other side of the nozzle, or even slip it in next to the thermistor.&nbsp; &nbsp;When you extrude into air, can you see tooth marks from the gear?&nbsp; That is usually an indication that you are within 5C or so of being too cool to extrude.&nbsp; If the actual extruder temp is quite a bit lower than it is reporting, that would cause more difficulty with extruding.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[IanJohnson]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/14/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-01-05T23:57:55Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Filament not sticking]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Try 210C on the extruder.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-01-05T22:09:07Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Filament not sticking]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jooshs wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I am also curious, you said you were using like 3 rolls of filament that sometimes worked in the other printer and sometimes work here...&nbsp; Just as a couple of off the wall checks, what are the three filament spools?&nbsp; Where did they come from and what color are they?</p></blockquote></div><p>Three came from Solidoodle; one came from an unknown source; three are Octave.&nbsp; I switched from the Black from Solidoodle to a white from Octave to eliminate the &quot;Black problem&quot; (even thought I do not believe that to be the issue). </p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Can you take a temperature reading of the hot end nozzle?</p></blockquote></div><p>130C at the tip of the nozzle with a contact thermometer</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>I think you are using the bushing in the back, is there any grease on that?</p></blockquote></div><p>No grease on the bushing that I printed to help the filament come through the rear hole</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>I still think all of this sounds like&nbsp; partially clogged nozzles.&nbsp; Can you see your tensioner arm moving in and out slightly when it is extruding before you print?</p></blockquote></div><p>No, the tensioner arm does not move.&nbsp; I put my fingers on it to see if it was moving even a little, but no.&nbsp; Note that I have now reduced the tension there, by moving the adjuster so that almost all of the screw is now inside the spring.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>If you increase the temperature while the printer is idle, does a little filament ooze out, or does it still stay in there?&nbsp; For me, that is generally the best indicator of a partial clog.&nbsp; When it is all the way clean, it oozes at 200 or above, when it is partially clogged, no oozing.</p></blockquote></div><p>With the indicated/graphed temperature at 200, if I extrude and then pull the extruded plastic away, the nozzle continues to emit a small amount of filament ooze (perhaps 1/2 inch per minute).</p><p>I&#039;ll give it another try.&nbsp; Maybe the tensioner spring was too tight.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jon_bondy]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/181/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-01-05T21:49:23Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Filament not sticking]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>IanJohnson wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Too tight could be a problem if the spring is bottoming out.&nbsp; I see the arm move back and forth a fair amount as filament goes through.&nbsp; Do you ever see the spring run out of space between coils?</p></blockquote></div><p>I have backed the spring out so that the adjusting knob just allows a hint of the screw threads to show</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jon_bondy]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/181/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-01-05T21:22:33Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Filament not sticking]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hang in there Jon, we&#039;ll get you printing.&nbsp; I am also curious, you said you were using like 3 rolls of filament that sometimes worked in the other printer and sometimes work here...&nbsp; Just as a couple of off the wall checks, what are the three filament spools?&nbsp; Where did they come from and what color are they?&nbsp; Can you take a temperature reading of the hot end nozzle?&nbsp; I think you are using the bushing in the back, is there any grease on that?&nbsp; I still think all of this sounds like&nbsp; partially clogged nozzles.&nbsp; Can you see your tensioner arm moving in and out slightly when it is extruding before you print?</p><p>&nbsp; If you increase the temperature while the printer is idle, does a little filament ooze out, or does it still stay in there?&nbsp; For me, that is generally the best indicator of a partial clog.&nbsp; When it is all the way clean, it oozes at 200 or above, when it is partially clogged, no oozing.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jooshs]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/13/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-01-05T15:17:28Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Filament not sticking]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Too tight could be a problem if the spring is bottoming out.&nbsp; I see the arm move back and forth a fair amount as filament goes through.&nbsp; Do you ever see the spring run out of space between coils?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[IanJohnson]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/14/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-01-05T15:07:12Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Filament not sticking]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Managed to print the Hopper for the Filastruder last night, but noticed that the top surface was not very uniform.&nbsp; Next print I tried, it turned out that the extruder was not working, which explained the poor top surface: it died just at the very end of the print.&nbsp; Pulled the filament, and it had the usual divot cut out.&nbsp; Cut it clean, reinserted it, and it seemed to work.&nbsp; Worked fine for about 10 minutes, then dug another divot in the filament, ruining another print (albeit, early on).</p><p>So, something is causing the filament to stop feeding.&nbsp; I have the pressure spring set up so that there&nbsp; is about 2 mm of the screw visible, so it is fairly tight.&nbsp; Not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing. Too lose, and it will not feed.&nbsp; Too tight, and it might occasionally cut the divot.</p><p>Could be due to variations in the filament, but if you want to hypothesize arbitrary variations in the filament, then you might as well sell your printers.</p><p>Not sure what to do next.&nbsp; As is almost always the case in my house, the Solidoodle remains stunningly unreliable.&nbsp; I am SOOOOOoooooo frustrated.&nbsp; All I wanna do is print!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jon_bondy]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/181/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-01-05T13:45:46Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Filament not sticking]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#039;t had any real big issues with my hotend at all. I have never disassembled&nbsp; the hotend or jigsaw or adjusted the idle bar. The only clogging I have had was when I first got the printer and left the hotend on and idle for a bit to long.&nbsp; But just raising the temp resolved that one.&nbsp; I have dont most of my prints on the solidoodle natural, octave white and octave glow white/green. I have 2 spools of octave black and 1 of octave gold.&nbsp; It seems to me that most people were clogging on colored filament, so I wonder if I will encounter more issues when I move to them.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[nickythegreek]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/366/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-01-05T05:29:45Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Filament not sticking]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>IanJohnson wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Not as extreme.&nbsp; I haven&#039;t had much trouble with clogging, mostly with the wire connectors.&nbsp; Handling it to deal with the connector eventually crumbled the cement, and moving the wires around weakened the nichrome.</p></blockquote></div><p>Same here. I had 2-3 clogs that required removing the hot end, and just handling the wires that much crumbled the cement and broke the nichrome.</p><p>Ironically, I haven&#039;t had a clog since. Ha!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-01-05T03:47:19Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Not as extreme.&nbsp; I haven&#039;t had much trouble with clogging, mostly with the wire connectors.&nbsp; Handling it to deal with the connector eventually crumbled the cement, and moving the wires around weakened the nichrome.&nbsp; &nbsp;I also tried out a .5mm nozzle to see if it would extrude faster for high speed printing, so there was extra handling there.</p><p>In my experience, the hot end has been mostly ok if you never touch it.&nbsp; If you have to take it off to deal with an occasional clog, the wiring is going to eventually go bad.&nbsp; I finally ditched it because the nichrome and cement just isn&#039;t robust enough. </p><p>The acrylic performed well enough, but it&#039;s a nuisance if you have to get at the hot end.&nbsp; Unlike the video on Vimeo, the fit was tight enough on the PEEK that it wouldn&#039;t come out the front.&nbsp; I also like having the nozzle, heater, and thermistor all embedded together in a single piece rather than stacked and taped together.&nbsp; I also wanted to replace the acrylic because I figured a printed extruder would provide a good starting point for built in mods like a standard mounting system for accessories.</p><p>The only time I had chronic difficulty with extrusion a new PEEK and nozzle cleared it up.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[IanJohnson]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/14/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-01-05T03:11:09Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Filament not sticking]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>IanJohnson wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Nobody else seems to be having as much trouble with hot ends as you.</p></blockquote></div><p>Interesting.&nbsp; I saw you and Tim and Lawsy and others replacing their jigsaws and their hot ends, and figured that most folks fairly quickly realized that the hot end (and the Z axis and the warped bed and the filament feed) was a weak point in the Solidoodle design.&nbsp; I figured that this was just how Solidoodles are.&nbsp; Why are all of you replacing the hot ends, unless they were giving you trouble?&nbsp; Is your trouble different than mine?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jon_bondy]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/181/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-01-05T02:41:30Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The replacements were with PEEK.&nbsp; I have used three different reels of filament on two different printers.&nbsp; My sense is that none of my problems are directly related to the filament.&nbsp; In one case, filament that worked fine on one printer failed to work on the other.</p><p>The two recently failed new Solidoodle hot ends were clearly failures, and Solidoodle is sending me new ones.&nbsp; We will see how that works out.</p><p>Hard to know what might be different between my printers and everyone else&#039;s.&nbsp; If you have questions, I&#039;ll try to answer them.&nbsp; For example, I wondered whether a &quot;hot&quot; 12 V power supply might make the hot ends on the problem printer burn out.&nbsp; Turns out that printer&#039;s 12 V is in fact 0.3 volts above the other.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jon_bondy]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/181/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-01-05T01:53:48Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I generally only tighten it until the bolt just begins to stick out from the thumbwheel.</p><p>John, were your replacements entirely new hot ends including PEEK?&nbsp; Have you tried filaments from other sources?&nbsp; Nobody else seems to be having as much trouble with hot ends as you, but your setup can&#039;t be all that unique.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[IanJohnson]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/14/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-01-05T01:11:18Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I tighten it up until it is very tight and then back it off about 1 to 2 turns.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jon_bondy]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-01-05T00:12:38Z</updated>
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