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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Plug of Death :(]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to dig up an old thread, but I just today found the source of my problem.</p><p>Conditions: <br />1) ZERO extrusion. Given my history with an annihilated thrust bearing, I figured it was my problem.<br />2) After removed the hopper, warming the struder, and kicking the motor on to watch the remains loading pellets feeding, I saw no movement other than rotation and rejection. </p><p>Here&#039;s what I found:<br />1) Thrust bearing was fine. I added a couple drops of 3 in 1 oil to both washers and the bearing. The washers were indeed fused to the nylon and shat coupler. I gently removed them and added a drip of oil.<br />2) I replaced the nozzle, melt filter, and coupler entirely since the original nozzle/coupler was fused together....possibly from plastic creeping into the threads.<br />3) While inspecting the thrust bearing, I decided to try to reverse the rotation of the auger by had until the remnants came out. </p><p>I did find a significant ABS plug which rotated with the auger, but it slid out fine at 190c until reaching the hopper opening. This is when I used needle nose pliers to gently but firmly remove semi-fused pellets and the molten plug. <br />I reassembled and now find extrusion to be perfect after removing the plug which could not have been removed while the nozzle was off. This took about 45min to figure out and clear.</p><p>Hope this helps someone.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[AZERATE]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/4188/</uri>
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			<updated>2017-07-18T21:00:51Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Plug of Death :(]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Water-cooled screws are a bit of a waste at this price-point for sure.</p><p>I&#039;ll look around at various controls and see if I can&#039;t duplicate&nbsp; the functionality of a soak-timer on an an inexpensive single-chip/board...&nbsp; &nbsp;There are several ways to approach it,&nbsp; trick will be keeping the cost down.&nbsp; <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>As for the heater situation when I get mine I&#039;m adding a second zone just because.&nbsp; <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" />&nbsp; &nbsp; This is one of the reasons I&#039;m going with this brand/design -- it is far more hackable than some of the neatly packaged solutions I&#039;m seeing.&nbsp; &nbsp; Some of them are rather slick but I need something I can alter to fit my particular madness.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[BurningRingOfFire]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/11931/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-09-01T03:41:00Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/104588/#p104588</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Plug of Death :(]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#039;ve read about soak timers and ramp rate controllers. I handle the ramp rate by speccing a properly sized custom heater, rather than the 400W monster fire hazards I see on other extruders. As for soak timers, I just include an instruction to wait 15 minutes after reaching the desired setpoint temperature, which works pretty well. PID controllers with soak timers would increase the cost by around $100 from what I&#039;ve found, and provide little functionality beyond that of a smartphone timer app.</p><p>The trouble with a full barrel heater is that the hopper is made of plastic. Again - one could be made out of metal but that creates two problems:</p><p>1.) More expensive<br />2.) Much harder to DIY (some folks create angled hoppers, some mixing hoppers, some accept a soda bottle, etc)</p><p>The big boys do water cooled screws too, which is crazy talk unfortunately at this price point.</p><p>If you have more ideas, please do share! I definitely appreciate the input, my experience with industrial extrusion doesn&#039;t go much beyond reading textbooks and journal articles. A lot of things industrial extruders do would be improvements in the DIY space, but offer poor value in terms of what they improve vs. their cost.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-08-31T16:15:40Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Plug of Death :(]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ll be buying one of these shortly, as I need more filament than I can buy from the suppliers.&nbsp; &nbsp; This is the only reliable way to get the filament I need when I need it.</p><p>Anyway,&nbsp; my background is in plastic processing.&nbsp; &nbsp; Extruders are the core component in extrusion lines and injection-molding machines.</p><p>Most modern machines have a soak-timer to prevent you from starting them too soon.&nbsp; &nbsp; You have to wait a period of time for the cold-slug at the end of the screw to fully melt.&nbsp; &nbsp;This can take awhile.</p><p>What most companies do... we purge our machines empty at the end of a production run.&nbsp; &nbsp; This gets all the previous resin and colorant out of the system which is vital.&nbsp; &nbsp;Some resins do NOT play nice when mixed.</p><p>Second purge compounds are typically lower-melting point than production resins.&nbsp; &nbsp;That means a quicker startup if I have to kill the barrel heats for some reason.</p><p>Might I suggest hard-coding a soak-timer function into the next generation controller?&nbsp; &nbsp;And also look at your heater setup.&nbsp; &nbsp;Most extruders have heating jackets/heater coils the entire length... as well as a provision to remove heat -- like a fan or a liquid cooler.</p><p>I understand the goal is to &quot;keep it simple&quot; but there are a few details from the big machines that make things that much easier in the long run.&nbsp; <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[BurningRingOfFire]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/11931/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-08-31T08:00:42Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Plug of Death :(]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Some more data on this:</p><p>After about 2500 hours on my most-used Filastruder (v1.3 with v1.5 gear motor - the one I tore down when extrusion slowed at ~1300 hours), extrusion stopped again - a few mm/min.</p><p>I pulled out the melt filter nozzle, and it was clogged nearly completely. This is not unexpected, I was running some trash MG94 that had cardboard and other bits mixed in. I cleaned the nozzle and reinstalled, but no dice - same problem.</p><p>I was looking over the machine, and noticed there was basically no load on the thrust bearing. This told me that there was a plug of plastic stuck to the auger that wasn&#039;t grabbing the walls of the barrel. I stuck a flathead screwdriver in behind the thrust bearing and slid the auger forward as far as it would go (towards the nozzle) with the motor running. After about 30 seconds, the plastic seemed to grab and the motor load increased, as well as the auger slid back compressing the thrust bearing again. After this, output became the normal ~15 inches/min again.</p><p>I think in this case the clogged screen stalled the output, and the plastic stopped gripping the inner surface of the barrel. After that nothing helped short of sliding the auger forward. Interesting indeed, if it happens again I&#039;ll be sure to post more here.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-08-11T17:29:23Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Plug of Death :(]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I could do that if you want.&nbsp; I also noticed today, when I took it apart again, that my trust bearing has gone bad.&nbsp; There are no more rollers in it.&nbsp; I don&#039;t know if that would affect the forming of the plug, so to speak.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[bbriggsgeek]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/2428/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-12-20T17:09:52Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Plug of Death :(]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I had the issue after running Asaclean so that might be the cause, or merely correlation.&nbsp; Maybe you can send your barrel in to Tim and he can see if it fails the same way on one of his machines.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[IanJohnson]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/14/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-12-20T17:03:29Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Plug of Death :(]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I emailed you through the filatstruder contact link.&nbsp; I think that is how you asked me to do it last time.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[bbriggsgeek]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/2428/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-12-20T16:53:49Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Plug of Death :(]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Like I said, shoot me an email and we&#039;ll get it sorted out. It sounds like your auger is fine.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-12-20T02:02:12Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Plug of Death :(]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ll probably go with new barrel.&nbsp; How much are they?&nbsp; Do I need a new auger?</p><p>I had misunderstood what you were saying about the torch.&nbsp; Sorry.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[bbriggsgeek]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/2428/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-12-20T01:46:46Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Plug of Death :(]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Right, I understood that. My point was that of course the problem would be recurring, you haven&#039;t fixed the root cause (the Asaclean residue on the inside of the barrel).</p><p>Solution is to either clean the existing barrel, or get a replacement. They&#039;re cheap enough you probably won&#039;t want to bother with cleaning it out.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-12-20T01:42:41Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Plug of Death :(]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I only used the torch on the outside of the barrel to warm things up so that I could get the auger out easier.&nbsp; I didn&#039;t try to use it to burn off residue on the inside.</p><p>So, are you saying that my solution is a new barrel?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[bbriggsgeek]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/2428/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-12-20T01:31:37Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Plug of Death :(]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Ian ran Asaclean once, it coated the inside of the barrel and he experienced plugs ever after. Solution was a new barrel.</p><p>Using a torch won&#039;t clean off whatever residue is causing the polymer to slip on the inside of the barrel, you&#039;d need a solvent that is suited to dissolving whatever residue that was (I would guess Asaclean in this case).</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-12-20T00:22:36Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Plug of Death :(]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve only run ABS through it but I&#039;ve tried different formulas of ABS.&nbsp; I&#039;ve also tried several different colors, blue, black, red, yellow, silver, copper, green, though never Glow in the Dark.&nbsp; I don&#039;t remember when I got the first plug.&nbsp; It was probably within the first 100 hours or so.&nbsp; I&#039;ve probably run in it 500 hours, give or take.&nbsp; I haven&#039;t been logging run time so that is a guess.</p><p>I have used ASACLEAN to clean it between colors.</p><p>To my knowledge I did not have any issues with assembly.&nbsp; It seemed to work from the beginning.</p><p>When I clear it out, I take the barrel and auger off and use a torch to heat up the barrel so I can unscrew the auger from the plug.&nbsp; Sometimes that works, sometimes the plug comes out with the auger.&nbsp; I just keep warming it up and using pliers to pull the plug off or unscrew it if I can.&nbsp; Then I reassemble it.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[bbriggsgeek]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/2428/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-12-19T23:27:32Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Plug of Death :(]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s definitely an option (get in touch via email), though I&#039;d like to know more about what may be causing it.</p><p>Have you ever had any mishaps along the way? Improper assembly, etc?</p><p>What&#039;s the total history of polymers and colorants you&#039;ve run?</p><p>After how many hours did you experience the first plug?</p><p>What is your procedure for &quot;clearing it out&quot;?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-12-19T23:15:13Z</updated>
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