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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: charging for printing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>lotw_1 wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Brad wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>It would be good for models, but functional parts... nope.</p></blockquote></div><p>I agree with that.&nbsp; Water, heat, etc will mess those prints up faster then ABS or PLA.&nbsp; Not even sure if they would hold up to making a mold, of course wouldn&#039;t need full color for that.</p></blockquote></div><p>I think it will be targeted at businesses for promo purposes.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[solijohn]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-02-24T15:22:05Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: charging for printing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Brad wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>It would be good for models, but functional parts... nope.</p></blockquote></div><p>I agree with that.&nbsp; Water, heat, etc will mess those prints up faster then ABS or PLA.&nbsp; Not even sure if they would hold up to making a mold, of course wouldn&#039;t need full color for that.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[lotw_1]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-02-22T19:51:21Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: charging for printing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Don&#039;t so sure, the parts are solid, and basically made of wood pulp mixed with glue.&nbsp; I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if it is comparable to MDF.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[IanJohnson]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-02-22T19:35:37Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: charging for printing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>It would be good for models, but functional parts... nope.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Brad]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-02-22T19:14:37Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: charging for printing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>solidoodlesupport wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>IanJohnson wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Here is a video of the Iris from their channel.&nbsp; They don&#039;t have very many examples of color models, what they have shown are really cool-</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnn-ACoMw4w&amp;feature=plcp">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnn-ACoM … ature=plcp</a></p></blockquote></div><p>Is this the printer that does layers of paper?</p></blockquote></div><p>Seems so. I&#039;m not sure this would be great for making parts.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[solijohn]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-02-22T18:47:55Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: charging for printing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s it alright <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> Wish I had lots more money...</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[ronsii]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/296/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-02-22T17:29:49Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: charging for printing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>IanJohnson wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Here is a video of the Iris from their channel.&nbsp; They don&#039;t have very many examples of color models, what they have shown are really cool-</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnn-ACoMw4w&amp;feature=plcp">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnn-ACoM … ature=plcp</a></p></blockquote></div><p>Is this the printer that does layers of paper?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[solijohn]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-02-22T17:18:36Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: charging for printing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Here is a video of the Iris from their channel.&nbsp; They don&#039;t have very many examples of color models, what they have shown are really cool-</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnn-ACoMw4w&amp;feature=plcp">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnn-ACoM … ature=plcp</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[IanJohnson]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/14/</uri>
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			<updated>2012-11-29T23:37:38Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: charging for printing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Good point, I haven&#039;t found a timelapse of this style of printing, do you have any videos of the Mcor?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[cmetzel]]></name>
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			<updated>2012-11-29T20:42:30Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: charging for printing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>For someone like Staples offering a service to the general public, I&#039;m not sure you would be able price in comparison to Shapeways or Redeye.&nbsp; They will be advertising this to people who have never heard of 3D printing, and don&#039;t already have that context for comparison.&nbsp; If they charge Stoney $250 to print his Transformers trailer, it might be half the Shapeways cost of $500, but it won&#039;t matter, it&#039;s still $250 which puts that service into B2B territory.</p><p>Fortunately the labor and material costs for the Mcor is low enough they should be able to do consumer pricing.&nbsp; And it&#039;s a good fit for Staples because there is no way they are paying $5 for a ream of paper.&nbsp; They buy it wholesale in massive quantities.&nbsp; It will be factored in to the overall cost, but doesn&#039;t need to have the retail markup of a box of paper applied to it.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[IanJohnson]]></name>
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			<updated>2012-11-29T20:10:01Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: charging for printing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I can&#039;t see them giving away the paper for free though.&nbsp; The cost for a ream of paper is $5 which is about 3&quot; tall?&nbsp; &nbsp;If you&#039;re in the business to make a profit, all you have to do is be cheaper than the alternative and you will be okay.&nbsp; You can even get away with charging more since you&#039;re offering same day pickup.&nbsp; </p><p>In my opinion people are going about pricing the wrong way for home 3d printing.&nbsp; If printer ink people thought the way we&#039;re thinking we would pay $1 per ink cartridge instead of $40.&nbsp; You charge what the market will pay.&nbsp; I look at the cost of a shapeways or the prices I personally am paying for people using 3dsystems printers for my prototypes.&nbsp; If I base my prices off a percentage of that cost because my quality is a percentage of theirs I don&#039;t feel like I&#039;m robbing anyone.&nbsp; It doesn&#039;t cost me anything to do it.&nbsp; I paid for the machine already, the electricity to run it is next to nothing, the cost of the filament per print is less than $1, and I&#039;ve already got the software and computer needed to design anything I can dream up and run the printer.&nbsp; I have tremendously real costs to print each item, but that doesn&#039;t mean I have to sell them for $2 each.&nbsp; </p><p>I have the added benefit of a handful of years of buying 3d printed parts from a professional service house, so I know what I can get away with in my niche market.&nbsp; If I was doing something for a brother or a friend I would do it for free.&nbsp; An aquaintance I&#039;d probably go design + (shapeways/2)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[cmetzel]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/78/</uri>
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			<updated>2012-11-29T19:47:56Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s still more renewable and biodegradable than plastic.&nbsp; The amount of plastic I have printed and thrown away per finished part due calibration, warping, failed prints, experimenting with settings, and basic iteration probably exceeds what the waste paper would be.&nbsp; And a service like Staples would try to be smart about packing as many jobs into an run as they can.&nbsp; You could even stack them up vertically.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[IanJohnson]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/14/</uri>
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			<updated>2012-11-29T17:42:48Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>let&#039;s kill more forest..&nbsp; i dont think that using one ream of paper (around 500 sheets) for one tiny object even if the object size is not the full paper size is a good idea... when we try to explain to not print each email you receive in any business</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[ysb]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/40/</uri>
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			<updated>2012-11-29T17:11:54Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s great!&nbsp; I had been hoping one of the services would pick up Mcor since it should be cheaper for large objects, but this is even better.&nbsp; They only cost the store something like $300 a month and the material cost for Staples is pretty much $0.&nbsp; Unlimited blades and glue come with that payment.&nbsp; The cost for customers should be very low since it takes very little labor, especially if they leave it to the customer to peel away the paper. </p><p>I can see using this for for bigger prints, and especially the color.&nbsp; Layer resolution is .1mm (thickness of paper) and you don&#039;t have to worry about overhangs.&nbsp; You just need to make sure that there won&#039;t be any interior volumes where you can&#039;t get the leftover paper out.&nbsp; It would be great to pick up the same or next day rather than wait on Shapeways.&nbsp; &nbsp;At the beginning I don&#039;t imagine there would be much wait since the market for that service is still small.&nbsp; &nbsp;</p><p>I wish it wasn&#039;t Europe first, but Mcor is Irish and they are more established there.&nbsp; &nbsp;I&#039;m happy for them, it&#039;s a great printer.&nbsp; The paper and glue method is much more compatible with the mainstream and would be a good home printer if it wasn&#039;t so big.&nbsp; Can you imagine how much easier it would be to operate one of these?&nbsp; No complicated toolpaths, only full slices like a DLP printer.&nbsp; But no issues with focus, cure times, expensive toxic materials.&nbsp; It just cuts an outline, sprays some glue, lays the next page on and cuts the next outline.&nbsp; &nbsp;No judgement calls on how to tweak the settings for a particular type of object, just one speed for the blade, a set amount of glue for the part, and a light pattern of glue dots for the outside.&nbsp; Bad prints go into the paper recycle bin.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[IanJohnson]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/14/</uri>
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			<updated>2012-11-29T16:48:25Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Get the money while you can, I read a story today that Staples will be putting 3d printers in their stores.&nbsp; You upload the model and go pick up your print, or they can mail it to you.&nbsp; They&#039;ll be using the Mcor IRIS 3D printer which can print in color.&nbsp; </p><p><a href="http://www.3ders.org/articles/20121129-mcor-technologies-launches-3d-printing-service-staples-easy-3d.html">http://www.3ders.org/articles/20121129- … sy-3d.html</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[cmetzel]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/78/</uri>
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			<updated>2012-11-29T16:28:47Z</updated>
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