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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: E3D TC upgrade?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>pcm81 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Thanks. Tons use useful stuff. Your post should be put in a wiki or something...</p></blockquote></div><p>So do it! Wikis are editable by anyone!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-04-24T02:38:05Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: E3D TC upgrade?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>adrian wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The TC code in Marlin is based on having a MAX6675 (EOL&#039;ed, now superseded by the MAX31855) or AnalogDevices AD595 IC connected - the type of thermocouple connected to it is then entirely based on what MAX31855 you have connected. I.e, its not designed to go through a lab-grade OpAmp and doing cold-junction conditioning - Marlin instead expects you to have an IC that does all that for you and simply spits out the corrected/calibrated tempreature upon request...</p><p>The bulk of MAX6675 or MAX31855 chips you find in &quot;breakout board&quot;, will be the K-Type... And the AD595 is *only* good for K-types (the 594 does J-Types). The max-delta-T on each type of thermo couple chages, but for a K-Type,&nbsp; it hovers around the 1.5°C delta up to 400, and after 600 starts almost climbing in a log fashion (600 is 2.4, 800 is 3.2, 1000 is 4.0 etc).</p><p>E-Type is worse for the temp ranges concerned with printing, and a J-type is indentical in error curve of a K-Type but tops out at just over 600 anyway. If you wanted the lowest delta across the widest range, R or S are the ones to go for, with a max delta of 1.0°C across the most used temp ranges, and only starts log climbing above 1400°C. So - You can use &#039;any&#039; Thermocouple, as long as you add the &#039;appropriate&#039; MAX or AD594/595 circuit (I personally don&#039;t like the AD595&#039;s.. so would err to a MAX31855 myself...) .</p><p>If you do your own MAX31855 circuit, you can get the R or S type IC and use the respective TC&#039;s (bearing in mind R stands for &quot;Rudely Expensive&quot; and S for &quot;Stupidly Expensive&quot;.... <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /> )</p><p>In terms of Thermistor vs Thermocouple - remember that a Thermistor is usually more accurate than a Thermocouple (depending on conditioning), and thermocouples are subject to high noise distortion due to their much smaller voltage. But thermocouples can do higher temps... from a &#039;reading&#039; prespective a TC has a mostly linear response curve and can be interpolated but a Thermistor has a non-linear curve and needs map tables.... So its all a tradeoff really as to whats the best approach for the specific application.</p></blockquote></div><p>Thanks. Tons use useful stuff. Your post should be put in a wiki or something...</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pcm81]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-04-24T02:27:38Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: E3D TC upgrade?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The TC code in Marlin is based on having a MAX6675 (EOL&#039;ed, now superseded by the MAX31855) or AnalogDevices AD595 IC connected - the type of thermocouple connected to it is then entirely based on what MAX31855 you have connected. I.e, its not designed to go through a lab-grade OpAmp and doing cold-junction conditioning - Marlin instead expects you to have an IC that does all that for you and simply spits out the corrected/calibrated tempreature upon request...</p><p>The bulk of MAX6675 or MAX31855 chips you find in &quot;breakout board&quot;, will be the K-Type... And the AD595 is *only* good for K-types (the 594 does J-Types). The max-delta-T on each type of thermo couple chages, but for a K-Type,&nbsp; it hovers around the 1.5°C delta up to 400, and after 600 starts almost climbing in a log fashion (600 is 2.4, 800 is 3.2, 1000 is 4.0 etc).</p><p>E-Type is worse for the temp ranges concerned with printing, and a J-type is indentical in error curve of a K-Type but tops out at just over 600 anyway. If you wanted the lowest delta across the widest range, R or S are the ones to go for, with a max delta of 1.0°C across the most used temp ranges, and only starts log climbing above 1400°C. So - You can use &#039;any&#039; Thermocouple, as long as you add the &#039;appropriate&#039; MAX or AD594/595 circuit (I personally don&#039;t like the AD595&#039;s.. so would err to a MAX31855 myself...) .</p><p>If you do your own MAX31855 circuit, you can get the R or S type IC and use the respective TC&#039;s (bearing in mind R stands for &quot;Rudely Expensive&quot; and S for &quot;Stupidly Expensive&quot;.... <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /> )</p><p>In terms of Thermistor vs Thermocouple - remember that a Thermistor is usually more accurate than a Thermocouple (depending on conditioning), and thermocouples are subject to high noise distortion due to their much smaller voltage. But thermocouples can do higher temps... from a &#039;reading&#039; prespective a TC has a mostly linear response curve and can be interpolated but a Thermistor has a non-linear curve and needs map tables.... So its all a tradeoff really as to whats the best approach for the specific application.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[adrian]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-04-22T07:58:08Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: E3D TC upgrade?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>So far no plans for over 300C, however, i broke my thermister; wires are way to thin and i have unlimited suply of 24AWG TC wire... So it seems like a more rugged installation with long term benefits/upgrades to newer printing media. Currently avaiable fillaments max out at 300, but who knows what future may bring, may be solder wire?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pcm81]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-04-22T02:40:48Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: E3D TC upgrade?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Can&#039;t help with your question, but I&#039;m curious - what are you planning to print that needs over 300C?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-04-22T02:22:23Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[E3D TC upgrade?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Where is the best place to buy the conversion board to use TC with e3d instead of thermistor on SD3? Will any k-type tc work or is there something special about tc code in Marlin/conversion board that needs E or J type TC?</p><p>Thanks</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-04-22T02:10:07Z</updated>
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