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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Filastruder tore itself apart]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Be very careful printing on a 0.35mm nozzle, unless you&#039;re using a melt filter!&nbsp; </p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Confounding wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Much better now.&nbsp; With the addition of a bigger washer on the plywood thrust plate, the Filastruder worked fine for the whole bag of ABS for the initial purge.&nbsp; I found I have to keep mine about 48&quot; above the floor to let the filament coil itself without tangling up.</p><p>After that, I found I can extrude PLA at 180°C at about the same rate as ABS, although other folks on the forums use lower temperatures.&nbsp; I tried increasing the temperature as high as 200°C to see if the filament would come out thinner, but at that temp bubbles appeared in the filament like it was boiling in there.&nbsp; But 180°C did fine.</p><p>I just printed a few calibration blocks and a few portions of my new replacement pool filter basket using my Filastruded PLA on my Mendel Prusa with a .35mm nozzle.&nbsp; &nbsp;I had trouble with jamming until I raised the print temperature all the way to 220°C.&nbsp; Now it seems to get through a whole print alright.</p><p>Thanks Everybody for the advice!</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-05-01T14:00:53Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Glad to hear it, though it is odd that PLA likes begin extruded at 180C. What you describes sounds more like ABS. Where&#039;d you get your PLA from? Can you post a picture?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-05-01T13:33:29Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Much better now.&nbsp; With the addition of a bigger washer on the plywood thrust plate, the Filastruder worked fine for the whole bag of ABS for the initial purge.&nbsp; I found I have to keep mine about 48&quot; above the floor to let the filament coil itself without tangling up.</p><p>After that, I found I can extrude PLA at 180°C at about the same rate as ABS, although other folks on the forums use lower temperatures.&nbsp; I tried increasing the temperature as high as 200°C to see if the filament would come out thinner, but at that temp bubbles appeared in the filament like it was boiling in there.&nbsp; But 180°C did fine.</p><p>I just printed a few calibration blocks and a few portions of my new replacement pool filter basket using my Filastruded PLA on my Mendel Prusa with a .35mm nozzle.&nbsp; &nbsp;I had trouble with jamming until I raised the print temperature all the way to 220°C.&nbsp; Now it seems to get through a whole print alright.</p><p>Thanks Everybody for the advice!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Confounding]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-05-01T04:46:14Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Plywood thrust plates were recalled. There&#039;s a thread here on the forum about it. I&#039;ll post more once I&#039;m at a computer. The symptoms you report are consistent with the subpar plywood thrust plates - they allow axial movement which pushes the uprights so they are no longer parallel. This binds the auger in the barrel. </p><p>The fix is a bigger washer or a harder material for the thrust plate. The CNC shop used plywood that was softer than what I used during testing - I never saw this problem personally. I&#039;ve since switched back to metal thrust flanges.</p><p>SABIC MG94 natural ABS is what&#039;s provided with the kit. I recommend it for the initial purge as it&#039;s characteristics are most repeatable and known which makes troubleshooting easier.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-04-19T16:55:34Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the quick replies, bubbasnow and elmoret!</p><p>bubbasnow, I ran it around a half hour of the 8-hour cleaning time before the problem happened, and got a good 30 feet or so of filament.&nbsp; Do you think PLA and ABS should be extruded at the same temperature?&nbsp; People print ABS at a higher temperature, so you would think it should be extruded at a lower temperature too,&nbsp; It comes out quite runny and free-flowing at 160°, so I didn&#039;t dare go higher and risk it pouring out as a liquid.&nbsp; On the other hand, ABS is supposed to have a lower coefficient of friction, which should let it flow with less pressure.&nbsp; I&#039;m using the brass nozzle that came with the Filastruder kit.&nbsp; I don&#039;t see a filter on it.</p><p>elmoret, I have Serial No. 536, so it&#039;s Revision 1.3.&nbsp; Sorry if I used the wrong word; maybe it&#039;s not ramen.&nbsp; It&#039;s filament with irregularities.&nbsp; Here&#039;s what came out right from the start in this photo (#1 below).&nbsp; Some of it for a few inches is very smooth and crystal clear (hooray!), but everywhere there is a kink in the filament I can see a small dark piece of debris inside.&nbsp; I gather from the forums and instructions that this is normal for the first 8 hours of operation, the &quot;purge&quot; process.</p><p>The instructions Version 1.3 recommend using clear ABS for the 8 hour purge.&nbsp; With the kit I received a bag of white plastic pellets labeled only, &quot;Ziploc®&quot;.&nbsp; They look like white ABS, but I know better than to heat a plastic if I&#039;m not absolutely certain what it is.&nbsp; I checked Filastruder.com/products/filastruder-kit and it says &quot;over 90% of the testing has been done with ABS&quot;, but Nylon and TPE also work great and &quot;PLA requires a little more care.&nbsp; The Filastruder extrudes it fine...&quot; I just have to put it through a drying process first.&nbsp; &nbsp;A challenge?&nbsp; Sounds great.&nbsp; Being careful is what I do best.</p><p>Here&#039;s a photo of the white plastic and the (vacuum-sealed until I opened the bag) clear PLA from OSP. (photo #2)</p><p>Good to hear about the safety feature.&nbsp; I love safety features.&nbsp; It&#039;s what I do for a living.&nbsp; That means the pin slipping is just a symptom of the problem.&nbsp; And the pipe bending was a symptom.&nbsp; The root cause was the auger not turning freely in the pipe.</p><p>If the auger not moving freely in the pipe is usually caused by improper assembly or improper operation, then I&#039;ll fix both and make the root cause go away.</p><p>I disassembled everything, straightened the barrel, and started over.&nbsp; Here&#039;s another interesting thing I found in disassembly.&nbsp; (Photo# 3,4) One of the washers is pressed all the way into the plywood thrust block.&nbsp; Let&#039;s fix that by filling in the hole with another washer. (Photo #5)</p><p>That would be caused by too much pressure in the extrusion chamber pushing the auger back into the thrust bearing.&nbsp; Wikipedia says t takes more pressure to extrude PLA than ABS, so it would be expected that the chamber pressure would be higher.</p><p>Filastruder.com says the Filastruder can process PLA as long as it&#039;s dried well.&nbsp; I&#039;ll do more research to see how others had success with PLA before I try it again.</p><p>For now, I&#039;ll get a pound of clear ABS and run it through to see whether improper assembly was the issue instead of overpressure.</p><p>Thanks for the advice, Everyone.&nbsp; I hope I answered all the questions, if not in the same order.&nbsp; I&#039;ll post my results with ABS and do more research on how folks get success with PLA.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-04-19T16:41:08Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,</p><p>It looks like you have a fairly ancient kit - shipped 9/18/2013. I think that&#039;s a v1.2 - Can you confirm?</p><p>There shouldn&#039;t have been ramen, though that&#039;s dependent on how you set up the filament guide. It is not &quot;standard&quot;, though it is going to be dirty on the first purge depending on how well the barrel was cleaned after deburring.<br />The pellets shipped with the kit are ABS, not PLA. They should be extruded at 180C, not 160C.<br />The <span class="bbu">pin slipping is by design</span>, to save the motor from overload. If it is slipping, either the unit was assembled incorrectly or is being operated incorrectly (wrong temperature for the resin being used)<br />The barrel is very strong - I have run one 1500 hours without damage. It is only damaged if allowed to stall, due to mis-assembly or improper temperature.</p><p>As for your last question, no this is not happening to everyone. It has happened to a few users, usually due to a mistake during assembly or mistaking ABS pellets for PLA (or extruding at the wrong temperature for other reasons).</p><p>My questions for you:<br />Can you post some photos of how you assembled it? <br />Were you sure to keep the thrust bearing compressed while mounting the uprights? <br />Are the uprights currently parallel?<br />How was the thermocouple installed?<br />Where did you get the PLA pellets from?<br />Why didn&#039;t you do the initial purge with ABS, per the instructions?</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-04-18T02:18:25Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>can you define a short time? For the first print you were supposed to run it at 180 and run the entire contents of the supplied abs through it.. are you running a the filtered nozzle?</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-04-18T01:39:07Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I got my Filastruder assembled and running for a short time before a breakdown.&nbsp; Running PLA pellets at 160 degees, it produced the standard dirty ramen noodles for several minutes, and then the motor sound became deeper and slower, I noticed the ramen was coming out much slower, and then it stopped coming out.&nbsp; Then the motor sped up again to normal speed, and I could see that the motor was turning but the auger and the hex socket (the motor/auger coupling) were not turning.&nbsp; I cut the power immediately and investigated.</p><p>The motor shaft had smashed the 3/32&quot;dowel pin to a metal mush, allowing the motor shaft to spin inside the hex socket.&nbsp; Also, the nipple (the barrel of the Filastruder) is visibly twisted and bent.</p><p>Any suggestions how I can fix this?</p><p>I&#039;ll try tomorrow to heat it up again and separate the damaged nipple from the auger to see if the auger is still straight.&nbsp; I think I need a much stronger nipple (barrel) and a hex socket with a set screw to withstand the massive forces the motor seems to produce.</p><p>And is this happening to everyone or just me?</p><p>Thanks for any assistance.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-04-18T01:04:01Z</updated>
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