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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Suggest a Z drive system for homebrew]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>adrian wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just keep in mind.. Ball screws actually have grease inside the nut and you are supposed to service this.. Often its just lithium grease or might be a specific requirement from the manufacturer for something else of a specific density... Anyway - my point was - There is a maintenance overhead to ball screw long term, AND, you need to be aware of whats used as the grease because if you stick it inside a heated enclosure you will be baking the grease. If its going to be all open frame and such - then this is not as big an issue...&nbsp; And then you have to have oiler gear to inject it into the nipple</p><p>I&#039;d spend some time actually over on cnczone.com myself - and actually study the myriad of pros/cons on lead screws/ball screws etc... Some have advantages over others and the drawbacks are not always obvious. Theres pros to be had from 1, 2, 4 start acme/trap vs ball screw... etc...</p><p>Its worth noting, ball screws biggest reason for use in a CNC is more than its smoothness - but its ability to withstand high thrust loads (such as when the end-mill plunges etc...) - This is not really a factor in any 3D printing we are using here - so it comes back to the precision..&nbsp; And they have virtually no tolerance for misalignment - they need to be dead square as side-loading impinges on their function.</p><p>And not to forget - the actual king of kings for &#039;traditional&#039; linear motion is a Roller Screw, which will cost 10 times as much as a Ball screw but is how things are done in the Aerospace industry due to its high precision, high speed and extreme load capabilities and repeat-ability where precision (or lack of it) with things can cost lives and billions of dollars.....</p><p>Personally - in respect to 3D Printing - I&#039;m would hypothesize that a Ball/Roller screw is highly likely not going to do anything more for you than a *quality* trapezoid/acme lead screw would and it&#039;d be 1/10th the cost. Cheap ball screws (most of the stuff on ebay) are definitely no better.</p><p>Heres a q&amp;a from Thomson Linear on Ball Screws.. you&#039;ll see lots of time is spent talking about lubricants, suitability, and... Noise.. (yes, ball screws are noisy !) and it covers acceleration and loading and alignment... </p><p><a href="http://www.thomsonlinear.com/downloads/webinars/QA_NA_Ballscrews_102.pdf">http://www.thomsonlinear.com/downloads/ … ws_102.pdf</a></p><p>And here is some exploring of the pros/con:<br /><a href="http://machinedesign.com/motion-control/critical-look-acme-ball-and-roller-screws-linear-motion">http://machinedesign.com/motion-control … ear-motion</a></p></blockquote></div><p>WOW, Lots of good stuff. thank you. I am definitely going&nbsp; to dive into some heavy reading.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-03-10T01:35:41Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Suggest a Z drive system for homebrew]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Just keep in mind.. Ball screws actually have grease inside the nut and you are supposed to service this.. Often its just lithium grease or might be a specific requirement from the manufacturer for something else of a specific density... Anyway - my point was - There is a maintenance overhead to ball screw long term, AND, you need to be aware of whats used as the grease because if you stick it inside a heated enclosure you will be baking the grease. If its going to be all open frame and such - then this is not as big an issue...&nbsp; And then you have to have oiler gear to inject it into the nipple</p><p>I&#039;d spend some time actually over on cnczone.com myself - and actually study the myriad of pros/cons on lead screws/ball screws etc... Some have advantages over others and the drawbacks are not always obvious. Theres pros to be had from 1, 2, 4 start acme/trap vs ball screw... etc...</p><p>Its worth noting, ball screws biggest reason for use in a CNC is more than its smoothness - but its ability to withstand high thrust loads (such as when the end-mill plunges etc...) - This is not really a factor in any 3D printing we are using here - so it comes back to the precision..&nbsp; And they have virtually no tolerance for misalignment - they need to be dead square as side-loading impinges on their function.</p><p>And not to forget - the actual king of kings for &#039;traditional&#039; linear motion is a Roller Screw, which will cost 10 times as much as a Ball screw but is how things are done in the Aerospace industry due to its high precision, high speed and extreme load capabilities and repeat-ability where precision (or lack of it) with things can cost lives and billions of dollars.....</p><p>Personally - in respect to 3D Printing - I&#039;m would hypothesize that a Ball/Roller screw is highly likely not going to do anything more for you than a *quality* trapezoid/acme lead screw would and it&#039;d be 1/10th the cost. Cheap ball screws (most of the stuff on ebay) are definitely no better.</p><p>Heres a q&amp;a from Thomson Linear on Ball Screws.. you&#039;ll see lots of time is spent talking about lubricants, suitability, and... Noise.. (yes, ball screws are noisy !) and it covers acceleration and loading and alignment... </p><p><a href="http://www.thomsonlinear.com/downloads/webinars/QA_NA_Ballscrews_102.pdf">http://www.thomsonlinear.com/downloads/ … ws_102.pdf</a></p><p>And here is some exploring of the pros/con:<br /><a href="http://machinedesign.com/motion-control/critical-look-acme-ball-and-roller-screws-linear-motion">http://machinedesign.com/motion-control … ear-motion</a></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-03-10T01:05:42Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>For ball screws does thread pitch matter or can i just turn it less with stepper motor? I am having trouble finding bigger than 8mm ball screws with fine thread and 500-600mm length...<br />Considering either:<br /><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pcs-antibacklash-ball-screw-1605-L600mm-C7-BK-BF12-2pcs-6-35-10mm-couplers-/290906454484?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&amp;hash=item43bb6039d4">http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pcs-antibackla … 43bb6039d4</a></p><p>or<br /><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/TR8x1-5Dx500mm-1-5mm-Pitch-Trapezoidal-Acme-Ballscrew-Leadscrew-Fine-Pitch-/221376086220?pt=UK_BOI_Metalworking_Milling_Welding_Metalworking_Supplies_ET&amp;hash=item338b0b00cc">http://www.ebay.com/itm/TR8x1-5Dx500mm- … 338b0b00cc</a></p><p>Thanks</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-03-10T00:48:42Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The closest thing is probably CNC routers. They have only a single ball screw but thick polished rods with linear bearings to hold everything straight.</p><p>Your rods in the corners would do this nicely. Normally I wouldn&#039;t advise that because it might be hard to get hands/tools in to access the bed but in your case the area is so big it won&#039;t matter.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-03-10T00:06:10Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>lawsy wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If you want quality, then ball screw.</p></blockquote></div><p>Thanks Lawsy. I thought about using ball screw and most likely that will be the route i will take. What i am trying to figure out though is if i need the screws on all 4 corners or if 4 shafts with 1 screw will be good enough to move the platform... Concerned about stiffness etc; platform will be up to 20 inches or so...</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-03-09T20:30:23Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>If you want quality, then ball screw.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-03-09T19:50:17Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I am building my own 3d printer. It will consist of 24&quot;x24&quot;x24&quot; aluminum angle box with 16x16x16 (or bigger) print volume. I am looking for suggestions to drive the Z axis. I was thinking of getting a 3/16th aluminum plate, drilling 4 holes in the corners, and using 8mm vertical rods with linear bearings to secure plate in XY plane. I was thinking of buying solid doodles platform bracket and using it with a stepper motor to drive the platform up and down. I also considered using a stepper motor in the center of the plate (motor mounted to the bottom of the box but centered relatively to box/plate) and the stepper driving 4x z axis threaded rods using 4 belts. Rods would go in place of 8mm vertical shafts.</p><p>Goal is a rock solid, high quality build. Not going the cheap route, going the quality route on this one... </p><p>What do you all think?<br />Thanks ahead</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-03-09T16:50:49Z</updated>
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