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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Can we get an overview of different generations of SD2 motherboards?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>n2ri wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>also no price break for upgrading if you bought even a couple months b4 new brd came out</p></blockquote></div><p>Because its not really an upgrade.... it was more a change that reduced the BoM cost for Solidoodle (and you could argue the swap to a 5.25mm barrel plug as the Sang couldn&#039;t support the depth of the socket... but this really was also to reduced the BoM Construction cost for SD (its quicker to plug in a jack at the QA stations than lug around a screwed in powerpack...). The MCU change is because that&#039;s what a printrboard ran and overall SMD is far cheaper to construct than through-hole as you can just pick-and-place then wave solder (what SD do) or Reflow 10&#039;s of boards at once vs hand soldering the through hole components (or DIP carrier...)</p><p>The SD card as shipped on the Printrboard is useless and probably will stay that way as they went and shared the hardware CS lines with the Y-End-Stops... meaning to even begin to use the SD you need to move the y-end stop to the e-end stop. Then theres the whole Marlin issue which remains largely unresolved due to coding snafu&#039;s... not to mention the &#039;dependency hell&#039; that has started to creep into it... </p><p>Incidentally - you can add an SD card to the Sanguinololu using 4 measly pins that do actually work in firmware...<br />Or just plugin most LCD solutions, which all include an SD and solve the root reason most people want an SD card - unattended printing which is largely useless without an LCD which the printrboard wont supply you unless you use an i2c LCD which has its own issues again.... </p><p>Which means the only substantive difference is the printrboard offers a PWM fan (that is both plugged up as a result of the wave soldering and also unpopulated but otherwise functional) header - via a pokey MOSFET anyway - which you need to do using an external MOSFET on the sang (but will ultimately use a superior MOSFET of a better rating anyway). </p><p>Anyway, There is no additional performance or otherwise benefit to the printrboard (not counting the &quot;measly to fix for $5&quot; issue of the PWM fan header that is present on a printrboard but not on the Sang) so wouldn&#039;t be worried they dont offer an &#039;upgrade&#039; (since it isnt) - not even the SerialComms element as Marlin will choke on its 10KHz movement planner limits long before comms becomes an issue at 250,000bps (or even 115200 ....).. as thats a LOT of G-Code and Marlin already has a buffer....</p><p>There is the argument that &#039;as shipped&#039;, the SD Sang&#039;s were limited by their 644p processor vs the 1284p... but even thats a $5 DIY fix with no soldering and only an issue if you DO go ahead with any LCD mods and the like...</p><p>Functionally - both are ultimately identical in performance. The pros and cons of both boards from a hardware perspective pretty much also weigh up the same, with the caveat there is a lot more known&#039;s about sangs and their mods and capabilities than compared to a printrboard; which despite a long &#039;feature list&#039; doesn&#039;t actually provide much more than a PWM fan header...</p><br /><p>TL;DR : To tell which board you have... its pretty easy:</p><p>If your power connects with a Barrel Plug and the A4988 chips are mounted straight to the PCB - you have a printrboard. Rejoice or cry. You are in a minority when it comes to the modding world <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/sad.png" width="15" height="15" alt="sad" />. </p><p>If your power is screwed in to a screw terminal block, and the A4988 chips are on little &#039;carrier boards&#039;... then you have a Sanguinololu. Rejoice. Mods and solutions abound, both here in Solidoodle land and just about every other printer forum.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[adrian]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-01-06T12:09:19Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Can we get an overview of different generations of SD2 motherboards?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>also no price break for upgrading if you bought even a couple months b4 new brd came out</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[n2ri]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/795/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-01-06T09:54:30Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Can we get an overview of different generations of SD2 motherboards?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>new board also has micro SD slot for any makerbot types ;^P I too prefer the older board and using PC for controler. dont see the point of micro SD built in</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[n2ri]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/795/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-01-06T09:52:49Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Can we get an overview of different generations of SD2 motherboards?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Each board has pluses and minuses <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" />&nbsp; the sanguinololu does have separate driver modules for the steppers which is a big plus if you happen to fry them or if you want to upgrade an axis to a finer microstepping <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>The printrboard isn&#039;t finicky when it comes to comm port baud, anything works <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> easier to add a controlled fan to the printrboard also.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[ronsii]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/296/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-01-06T05:53:59Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Can we get an overview of different generations of SD2 motherboards?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I like the older sanguinololu better.&nbsp; It seems much easier to repair if something goes wrong, and easier to do some upgrades.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[COASTER19]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1142/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-01-06T02:35:28Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Can we get an overview of different generations of SD2 motherboards?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I noticed that my machine has the USB cord coming off the side of the motherboard and you have to screw in the power cord.&nbsp; On the solidoodle website, you can see the new solidoodle motherboard, which has the USB coming out the bottom and a nice power cord connection.&nbsp; So I guess I have the older version, too bad.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[mdrVB6]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/4377/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-01-06T02:28:10Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Can we get an overview of different generations of SD2 motherboards?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>O wow that is great for the simplicity, but bad because I bought a mosfet driver a few days ago <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/sad.png" width="15" height="15" alt="sad" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[w16240]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/4503/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-01-05T04:15:37Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Can we get an overview of different generations of SD2 motherboards?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The new Solidoodle motherboard has a place for a fan built in.&nbsp; All that needs to be done is a little bit of soldering pins, then its as simple as plugging in the fan and changing a line in the firmware.&nbsp; The Sanguinololu requires a Mosfet and a bit more work.</p><p>Once the two 12v headers are added, you basically have one of these <a href="http://reprap.org/wiki/Printrboard">http://reprap.org/wiki/Printrboard</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[COASTER19]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1142/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-01-05T04:13:30Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Can we get an overview of different generations of SD2 motherboards?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>The sanguinololu board has separate stepper driver modules... they are removable, the newer printrboard&#039;s do NOT have removable stepper driver&#039;s, they are just one circuit board with no extra modules.</p></blockquote></div><p>would installing a fan from lawsy&#039;s fan installation guide be any different if it is a &quot;new solidoodle motherboard&quot; vs the sanguinololu</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[w16240]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/4503/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-01-05T04:06:45Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Can we get an overview of different generations of SD2 motherboards?]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://www.soliforum.com/post/45792/#p45792" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The sanguinololu board has separate stepper driver modules... they are removable, the newer printrboard&#039;s do NOT have removable stepper driver&#039;s, they are just one circuit board with no extra modules.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[ronsii]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/296/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-01-05T01:43:09Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Can we get an overview of different generations of SD2 motherboards?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Mainly, there are two versions of motherboards which solidoodle has used.&nbsp; There is the Sanguinololu and the &quot;new solidoodle motherboard&quot; which is really just a printrboard with the solidoodle logo.&nbsp; The Sanguinololu had revisions made to it, however I haven&#039;t encountered any mods which require one revision over another, and have no idea what the differences between each revision are.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[COASTER19]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1142/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-01-04T21:49:42Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Can we get an overview of different generations of SD2 motherboards?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I bought my SD2 second hand off ebay and I did not realize at the time that there were multiple generations of motherboards out there.&nbsp; I&#039;m not sure if I have the most recent or not.&nbsp; I searched around and I was not able to find a list of the different generations (I think solidoodle calls it &quot;revisions&quot;).&nbsp; Does anyone know the history of this?&nbsp; I&#039;m interested in knowing what was improved with each generation and how to identify which one I have.</p><p>Thanks for any info you guys can provide.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[mdrVB6]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/4377/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-01-04T21:35:34Z</updated>
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