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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Upgraded Aluminum & Copper print bed]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I find these very interesting arguments against doing a copper bed.</p><p>But considering I&#039;ve already done this, and I&#039;m probably the only one to have done so, I think I&#039;m in a position to comment on the pros and cons of doing a copper bed:</p><p>On the plus side, because it conducts heat better than any other metal (except for silver), it heats up fairly fast, and heat dispersal is more even, much more so than Aluminum.&nbsp; </p><p>While it can be scratched, with a knife, it &#039;s not nearly soft enough to bend or warp.&nbsp; In fact it would be impossible for me to bend that piece without some kind of tools.&nbsp; &nbsp;Since we&#039;re on the subject of hardness, Copper is harder than aluminum.&nbsp; Not by much, but on Mohs hardness scale, Aluminum rates somewhere between 2.5 and 3, while Copper is a 3.0.</p><p>I&#039;ve had it for over a year, and it has yet to tarnish.&nbsp; It still looks just as pretty as the day I installed it.</p><p>On the cons side, there&#039;s the cost.&nbsp; At $50 for a 8&quot; x 8&quot; x 1/8&quot;, it&#039;s pretty expensive.&nbsp; The other problem is the weight.&nbsp; Unlike the aluminum bed which weighs about 9-10 oz, this beast weighs almost 3 pounds.</p><p>And then there&#039;s the fact that while it&#039;s still installed on my SD3, it&#039;s no longer being used in the heating solution.&nbsp; I&#039;m currently using a PCB heater that sits on top of, and offset from the bed, so it&#039;s no longer a factor.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pirvan]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-11-24T06:06:38Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Upgraded Aluminum & Copper print bed]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>well it will oxidize green/black when exposed to air. just dont think its a great choice for print bed besides cost.<br />being soft means easy to damage, electrical conductivity makes it a good draw for other issues like Dielectric corrosion when some other metals are connected to it like steel... moisture etc also becomes more of a problem, similar issues as brass has. and likely why neither was used as 3d Printer beds. some chemicals cause it to electroplate other metals touching it just like with some new Refrigerants cause copper in tubing to transfer to steel parts inside compressors which locks them up after a few months running. so they use Aluminum tubing on new systems now. (not that that will happen on 3D printer but who knows what effect print materials heated may have). about the only undesirable issues Aluminum has is oxidation corrosion under some conditions, expanding/contracting due to temperatures, and weaker or not as flexible as some other metals.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[n2ri]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/795/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-11-24T00:35:09Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Upgraded Aluminum & Copper print bed]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>n2ri wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>its used in Batterys and thermo limits heat activated etc. sometimes in conjunction with other alloys/metals</p></blockquote></div><p>In order to be a bimetallic strip, it by definition *must* be combined with another metal. </p><p>Copper alone does not exhibit bimetallic strip behavior.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-11-23T23:15:40Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>its used in Batterys and thermo limits heat activated etc. sometimes in conjunction with other alloys/metals</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[n2ri]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-11-23T22:48:00Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>n2ri wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>copper is a bi-metal which means its more prone to warping when heated/cooled also.</p></blockquote></div><p>I think you&#039;re thinking of this: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bimetallic_strip">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bimetallic_strip</a></p><p>Had pirvan stuck a copper plate to an aluminium plate, then yes he would have a warping problem, as the thermal expansion of the two metals (hence &quot;bimetallic&quot;) is different.</p><p>As it stands, being solid copper only, not an issue.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[grob]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/4515/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-11-23T22:16:12Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>n2ri wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>copper is a bi-metal which means its more prone to warping when heated/cooled also.</p></blockquote></div><p>Nope.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-11-23T02:23:41Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>n2ri wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>copper is a bi-metal which means its more prone to warping when heated/cooled also.</p></blockquote></div><p>Copper is an element, not a bimetal in how I understand a bimetal. Not sure what you meant though?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Tomek]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-11-23T01:30:19Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>copper is a bi-metal which means its more prone to warping when heated/cooled also.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-11-22T05:34:29Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>adrian wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>great stuff - I&#039;ll get the rest of the stuff together next day or so for the wider audience...</p><p>But at least for the moment you&#039;re up and running with the new firmware <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" />&nbsp; Thanks for testing that <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p></blockquote></div><p>No problem, thanks for all your help.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pirvan]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-11-26T00:34:08Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>great stuff - I&#039;ll get the rest of the stuff together next day or so for the wider audience...</p><p>But at least for the moment you&#039;re up and running with the new firmware <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" />&nbsp; Thanks for testing that <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[adrian]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/663/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-11-25T21:09:12Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>adrian wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Ok - now - silly question too btw - You don&#039;t have RH connected to the printer when you try and upload? If you do - arduino won&#039;t be able to open the comport - I <strong>often</strong> make this error <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p><p>Now - I haven&#039;t finished my greater wide community solution - but I have put something together that I&#039;d be keen for you to test. I&#039;ll PM you the details.</p></blockquote></div><p>NO, I did try it once just to see what kind of error I&#039;d get and I got &quot;COM port in use&quot;.</p><p>Anyway, check you PM.&nbsp; I tried the app you sent me and it worked perfectly.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pirvan]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1357/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-11-25T20:06:23Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Ok - now - silly question too btw - You don&#039;t have RH connected to the printer when you try and upload? If you do - arduino won&#039;t be able to open the comport - I <strong>often</strong> make this error <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p><p>Now - I haven&#039;t finished my greater wide community solution - but I have put something together that I&#039;d be keen for you to test. I&#039;ll PM you the details.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[adrian]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/663/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-11-25T13:59:24Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Waiting.....</p><br /><p>BTW, thanks for all the help. <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pirvan]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-11-25T07:32:06Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>pirvan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I had to go back through my posts, and it looks like I got the printer back on 4/9/2013.</p></blockquote></div><p>I believe the problem was solved by then - so cool. </p><div class="quotebox"><cite>pirvan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>There&#039;s a 3-4 second delay when I connect.</p></blockquote></div><p>This more or less says you have a bootloader - so this is good <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /> (the bootloader that &#039;waits&#039; for a few seconds to see if it needs to load new firmware every time you reset the board. Connecting via serial causes a board reset... QED, the pause means the bootloader is running)...</p><p>This means its fixable without need for a programmer. Stay tuned! <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[adrian]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/663/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-11-25T07:23:11Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I had to go back through my posts, and it looks like I got the printer back on 4/9/2013.</p><p>There&#039;s a 3-4 second delay when I connect.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pirvan]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-11-25T07:20:36Z</updated>
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