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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Any benefit to slightly faster post-nozzle cooling? Peltier Module/TEC]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>elmoret wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Q is proportional to dT, but even with a peltier dropping the air temp 20 C (impressive, at the airflow rates we&#039;d use), you&#039;re only increasing the dT by 12-15%, so you only remove heat 12-15% faster. You&#039;d probably be better off increasing airflow rate instead</p></blockquote></div><p>Hmm, when you put it in thoughtful terms, as opposed to me just staring at my peltier modules and videos of ian&#039;s winder, I think you have a point. I was fixated on the thought &quot;mimic what I saw an industrial machine do&quot; which was cool rapidly with water. But as you worded it, and frankly in general, peltier wouldn&#039;t do much.&nbsp; They are both *awesome* devices, and often underwhelming devices. </p><div class="quotebox"><cite>elmoret wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>What would the goal of cooling filament faster be?</p></blockquote></div><p>Actually, that was the second point of my thread. I was hoping to ask &quot;is there any point to cooling it faster?&quot; in addition to &quot;if anyone wants to try this, I have this to offer&quot;&nbsp; </p><p>Now that you encouraged me to think more analytically,<br />In general it seems to me that if you want a faster cooling filament there are some improvements that could be made. For one, a short tube so that the airflow goes along the filament for a little bit would result in a cooling that has a greater surface area interaction. Or, just redirecting the airflow of a square fan into a more rectangular profile.&nbsp; Then, of course, more airflow can help as well (squirrel-fan or doubled up fans?) </p><br /><p>I did get one PM about someone interested, so I&#039;ll still be happy to send it to them and maybe in the worst case they will use it for something else&nbsp; if it proves useless (not a bad worst case.)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Tomek]]></name>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Any benefit to slightly faster post-nozzle cooling? Peltier Module/TEC]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>It would help, but not much.</p><p>Q is proportional to dT, but even with a peltier dropping the air temp 20 C (impressive, at the airflow rates we&#039;d use), you&#039;re only increasing the dT by 12-15%, so you only remove heat 12-15% faster. You&#039;d probably be better off increasing airflow rate instead.</p><p>But by all means - try it out!</p><p>What would the goal of cooling filament faster be?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-11-05T03:23:04Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Any benefit to slightly faster post-nozzle cooling? Peltier Module/TEC]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I could supply three peltier modules of unknown spec* if anyone wanted to test out a cooler airstream at the nozzle. Or if you have some other sort of cold air source maybe you can test that way.&nbsp; &nbsp;I simply noticed that industrial machines seem to run filament through a water bath but I typically want to avoid involving water with my equipment. </p><br /><p>*(I can&#039;t recall what machine I got the modules from, I believe it was a string of 8-12 peltier modules per 48V supply, so 4V nominal I suppose and several amps of max power. These are probably 30-40W peltier modules, which of course suggests the power numbers to be off. They&#039;re 30mm square with a Ac resistance of ~0.22ohms) </p><br /><p>If more than one person is interested, I can ship off two each to two different people. I just have a few of them and would I supply shipping of course. I probably won&#039;t buy the filastruder for a few days, nor would I get it for over a month, and I&#039;m already curious what might be done with it. </p><p>Overall these are only worth $3-4 dollars each, but I&#039;m hoping to entice someone, knowing there&#039;s no effort (or frankly obligation) to signing up for them. </p><br /><p>I should add that you will need a DC power source for the peltier modules, a heatsink and fan for the hot end, and probably a shroud of some sort to direct the colder air at the filament. But the shroud might interfere with the filament, I don&#039;t know yet.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Tomek]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-11-05T03:13:35Z</updated>
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