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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Power Mods (Status: Found power supply!)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>You should be fine then. there are 2 pairs of wires in the 4pin connector on 12v so with your info, i will admit I am not good about electricty, you should be good for upto 240watt. Again in theory.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[nlancaster]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-07-13T23:26:15Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Power Mods (Status: Found power supply!)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>nlancaster wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>right but amps handles also has to do with wire gauge, and I am fairly sure they are only speced to handle 60watts thru the 4pin motherboard connector.&nbsp; I konw the 6pin connector is speced to handle upto 75watts on most power supplies.</p></blockquote></div><p>You know... good specs on this stuff are surprisingly hard to find.&nbsp; However, being that both ATX12V and EPS12V are speced for power supplies &gt;400W so I&#039;m fairly certain that the ATX4P and EPS can handle more than 60 and 75 watts respectively.&nbsp; Now, you may be thinking of the PCI-E graphics card 6 and 8 pin plugs.&nbsp; Those are rated for up to 75 watts on the 6 pin version, and 150W on the 8 pin version.&nbsp; Those are potentially limited more on PCB side rather than current carrying side, but that&#039;s not for certain.&nbsp; Just doing the math on 18 gauge wire (pretty standard power supply wire) and you&#039;re looking at over 10A of current at 12V per wire.&nbsp; Technically the wire can carry 13A without burning up, but I wouldn&#039;t want to get near that number... So at 10A per wire that means a theoretical maximum of 240W for a pair of wires.&nbsp; Would I run 240W through two wires?&nbsp; Hell no!&nbsp; But at 150W that&#039;s a good enough safety margin.&nbsp; </p><p>Whew!&nbsp; After all that (and reading some other posts) I may at some point just break out the bed heater and extruder heater section to its own daughter board and run that off a 8 pin EPS plug.&nbsp; Doing that means I could potentially add two more extruder heaters later without worrying about hitting any max power limits.&nbsp; Call that the belts and braces approach.&nbsp; Till then though, I&#039;ll keep an eye (and a fire extinguisher) out for any issues with the ATX4P setup.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[knyghtryda]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-07-12T17:31:17Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Power Mods (Status: Found power supply!)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>right but amps handles also has to do with wire gauge, and I am fairly sure they are only speced to handle 60watts thru the 4pin motherboard connector.&nbsp; I konw the 6pin connector is speced to handle upto 75watts on most power supplies.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[nlancaster]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-07-12T01:20:18Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Power Mods (Status: Found power supply!)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>nlancaster wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>that ATX 4 plug is only rated for 60watts of power.&nbsp; Be careful connecting your PSU with just that one cable.</p></blockquote></div><p>From what I&#039;ve researched the current carrying capabilities of molex connector vary between 5A and 8.5A depending on the width of the pin.&nbsp; I&#039;m pretty sure my pins are not the smallest size (1.5mm) so its going to be rated to carry around 6 or 7A per pin (assuming its not the max sized 2.36mm pin), or 12-14A total.&nbsp; This gives a wattage of 144W - 168W.&nbsp; Currently The system&nbsp; (with stock power supply) draws up to 120W from the wall (so its gonna be less than that through the 12V line).&nbsp; I&#039;m expecting current draw to go up to 150W with just a bed upgrade and maybe 180W with both a bed upgrade and a heater cartridge upgrade.&nbsp; At that point I&#039;ll see if those ATX wires are still holding up ok.&nbsp; Anecdotally, (and based on some spec sheet math) I should in theory be able to push 185W through the ATX4P connector under ideal conditions.&nbsp; I think at that point the limiting factor will not be be connector or the wires but the Sanguinolulu PCB itself...</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2013-07-12T00:45:37Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>that ATX 4 plug is only rated for 60watts of power.&nbsp; Be careful connecting your PSU with just that one cable.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[nlancaster]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-07-10T22:56:24Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>nice. good luck with you mod.&nbsp; I too find it hard to screw thicker wires.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[RavensCrest]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-07-10T19:00:43Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Power Mods (Status: Found power supply!)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>So having played with the SD3 for a short while, I&#039;ve began the modding process.&nbsp; It was inevitable really...&nbsp; </p><p>One of the first series of mods I&#039;m doing is with the power system.&nbsp; People have gone with various methods of increasing power in order to run hotter beds and extruders, but I&#039;m trying to get something that uses the fewest bare wires possible while gaining the most amount of control (I&#039;ll explain later).&nbsp; The first mod I did was swap out the screw terminals for power with a female ATX4 plug.&nbsp; This will allow me to run a standard ATX psu.&nbsp; The next mod will be removing the 7805 regular and instead running the 5V side from the 5VSB of the ATX power supply.&nbsp; With those combined I can then tie a spare pin to ATX_ON and have an always on SD3 that will automatically power on the main system when a print starts and shut itself down when a print stops.&nbsp; From there on out the sky&#039;s the limit.&nbsp; Here&#039;s a small list of upcoming items, not including new printer parts, which are a totally different topic:</p><p>- actively cooled Sanguinolulu with a 80mm fan and heatsinks on stepper drivers (finishing scad model for mount)<br />- QU-BD bed heater (need to get some acrylic laser cut for a custom base)<br />- 40W Ceramic cartridge heater for extruder (still shipping from China)<br />- Moving from a full size ATX PSU to a rackmount 1U PSU in order to mount the PSU to the back of the SD3 (need to find PSU with sufficient power/size/price)<br />- Active cooling all motors</p><p>Update 1:<br />I found my power supply!&nbsp; I was looking at a bunch of 1U supplies when a coworker pointed out that hey, 1U supplies on load will probably sound like a small jet engine.&nbsp; He (also a recent 3d printer purchaser) recommended a FTX supply, which is what goes in a lot of ITX cases.&nbsp; Looking around I couldn&#039;t find a good used FTX supply, but what I did find might be even better.&nbsp; I bring you the Seasonic SS-460H2U.&nbsp; A quick rundown of specs: 2U sized, 460W, fully modular, active PFC, and 80 Plus rated.&nbsp; All for $15 from Weird Stuff.&nbsp; &nbsp;I love that place <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2013-07-10T16:36:50Z</updated>
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