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	<updated>2013-11-09T21:42:17Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: ZWobble guidelines]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Just for the record, I *did* finally(!!!) get around to measuring with the laser pointer jig (while re-installing the well nut) and, yes, there is a periodic pattern.&nbsp; Here are the new measurements:</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/oimg?key=0Ajh3Mupk84uIdHhmbUU2M0JMTHc1cVQ0alBvNGhTa0E&amp;oid=1&amp;zx=na54925tbjc6" alt="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/oimg?key=0Ajh3Mupk84uIdHhmbUU2M0JMTHc1cVQ0alBvNGhTa0E&amp;amp;oid=1&amp;amp;zx=na54925tbjc6" /></span></p><p>The y-axis numbers in the plot are actual wall measurements (about 10-12ft away).&nbsp; I advanced the axis in 0.1mm steps, for three periods, and then used my calipers to measure each period twice (the legend Dn/m stands for delta-step on n-th period, m-th measurement, and last two curves are mean and median).&nbsp; </p><p>As you can see, with a freshly installed well-nut, the error is on the order of a few (~5) microns, so it&#039;s indeed below the accuracy of the dial gauge + mount (perhaps the wiki instructions should point out that dial gauge may not be accurate enough?).&nbsp; Also, it&#039;s not perfectly repeating, but taking avg/median of a few periods and measurements gives a clear pattern.</p><p>Still, even though it&#039;s a few microns, the z-wobble fix helps very noticeably.&nbsp; Here is the proof (<a href="http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1459/snhz.jpg">full size</a>):<br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1459/snhz.jpg" alt="http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1459/snhz.jpg" /></span><br />Right is w/o fix, left is with fix, back-to-back prints, 0.2mm layers. FWIW, I used the cumulative sum of the above median values in my start gcode.</p><p>I hope this info is useful to others, and thanks for the great work on the firmware fix!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[spapadim]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1993/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-11-09T21:42:17Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: ZWobble guidelines]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>spapadim wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Thanks, good to know!&nbsp; Yes, I&#039;ve been meaning to try that too, but I&#039;ve lost my laser pointer.&nbsp; Might go ahead and buy another -- in which case, which pointer are you using (might as well go with one that&#039;s guaranteed to fit your design)?</p></blockquote></div><p>It was just a cheapie no-brand combo pen/laser I got off ebay.&nbsp; It&#039;s slim, but you can use almost anything and just tape it to the outside if it doesn&#039;t happen to fit.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[tealvince]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/676/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-06-17T18:14:41Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: ZWobble guidelines]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, good to know!&nbsp; Yes, I&#039;ve been meaning to try that too, but I&#039;ve lost my laser pointer.&nbsp; Might go ahead and buy another -- in which case, which pointer are you using (might as well go with one that&#039;s guaranteed to fit your design)?</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>tealvince wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Even with the poor precision of the depth gauge, it looks like you need compensation at a phase of either 0 or 180 degrees, and can experiment with various amplitudes at both of those phases.&nbsp; To get better precision, you can use the laser pointer mount I made if you have a laser pointer handy and the associated directions:</p><p><a href="http://www.thingiverse.com/spapadim/collections/solidoodle#collection-thing-231747">http://www.thingiverse.com/spapadim/col … ing-231747</a></p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[spapadim]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1993/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-06-17T18:02:42Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: ZWobble guidelines]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Even with the poor precision of the depth gauge, it looks like you need compensation at a phase of either 0 or 180 degrees, and can experiment with various amplitudes at both of those phases.&nbsp; To get better precision, you can use the laser pointer mount I made if you have a laser pointer handy and the associated directions:</p><p><a href="http://www.thingiverse.com/spapadim/collections/solidoodle#collection-thing-231747">http://www.thingiverse.com/spapadim/col … ing-231747</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[tealvince]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/676/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-06-17T17:45:44Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/26700/#p26700</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: ZWobble guidelines]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, 10 microns is probably within the error bounds of your measurement device.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-06-17T17:35:29Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: ZWobble guidelines]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Just so I&#039;m clear on the y-axis : is that a movement of +/-10 microns you are seeing?&nbsp; That seems pretty good to me, though I haven&#039;t yet tried to measure my z-axis wobble.&nbsp; I&#039;ll probably wait until after the M5 upgrade for that ...</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[mconsidine]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1122/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-06-17T17:31:09Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[ZWobble guidelines]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve been playing with the zwobble software fix, and trying to tune it, but I&#039;m not getting far, so I&#039;m beginning to wonder if I&#039;m looking at the right place (or should instead be looking at x/y axes).</p><p>I tried to find examples of what to expect for z-error, but couldn&#039;t find any, so I thought I&#039;d ask. This is the movement error curve I get (thick blue line):<br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://imageshack.us/a/img543/941/80d3.png" alt="http://imageshack.us/a/img543/941/80d3.png" /></span><br />Measured with a depth gauge (and Ian Johnson&#039;s excellent mount), with .1mm moves.&nbsp; For the life of me I cannot see a clear, strong periodicity, sinusoindal or otherwise.</p><p>Sure, there are two modes, but doesn&#039;t look like these are sufficient?<br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://imageshack.us/a/img526/7061/ux2.png" alt="http://imageshack.us/a/img526/7061/ux2.png" /></span></p><p>I should note that these are with the new aluminium platform + this: <a href="http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:100053">http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:100053</a> .&nbsp; My walls are decent:<br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://imageshack.us/a/img703/764/i635.jpg" alt="http://imageshack.us/a/img703/764/i635.jpg" /></span><br />but still not perfect (a bit blurry, but see corner edges):<br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://imageshack.us/a/img829/8628/9wsb.jpg" alt="http://imageshack.us/a/img829/8628/9wsb.jpg" /></span></p><p>Any feedback/suggestions on diagnosis and how to proceed (or not) would be appreciated!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[spapadim]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1993/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-06-17T15:30:24Z</updated>
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