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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Defective print - Printer or Slic3r?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>fischelbyxa wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>adrian wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Not scientific, but it at least ensures you have them evenly set: <a href="http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:38952">http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:38952</a></p></blockquote></div><p>Perfect! A lot better than not too tight, not too lose!</p><p>Thank you, Adrian!</p></blockquote></div><p>No problems.</p><p>I also meant to tell you, re your model accuracy, be sure to tick &#039;External Perimeters First&#039; in Slic3r config - this will draw from the outside inwards instead of the default inwards-out and helps improve accuracy a lot as it accounts for &#039;ooze&#039; in the plastics much better etc.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[adrian]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-06-11T08:25:54Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Defective print - Printer or Slic3r?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>adrian wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Not scientific, but it at least ensures you have them evenly set: <a href="http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:38952">http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:38952</a></p></blockquote></div><p>Perfect! A lot better than not too tight, not too lose!</p><p>Thank you, Adrian!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[fischelbyxa]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-06-11T08:20:20Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Not scientific, but it at least ensures you have them evenly set: <a href="http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:38952">http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:38952</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[adrian]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-06-11T07:45:17Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#039;t it be nice to have a way know when the tension is right? One could use a Newton meter to measure the force required to pull the belt X mm.</p><p>In Sweden we have the term &quot;lagom&quot; meaning &quot;just right.&quot; It&#039;s a bit like Goldielock, not too much, not too little. As a Swden, I have the &quot;lagom&quot; concept ingrained in my DNA since time immemorial. But when calibrating the tension of e.g. drive belt, &quot;lagom&quot; isn&#039;t the best way to describe the end result...</p><br /><p>Lagom: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagom">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagom</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[fischelbyxa]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-06-11T07:43:29Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Defective print - Printer or Slic3r?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m with Adrian on this one, it&#039;s most likely your y axis. Why not the x? Because it is unlikely to have slop. Your long y axis belts probably don&#039;t have slop either. Your little jack shaft drive belt.....well....now that probably has all your slop. Just take your fingers and move the y stepper. Look at the jack shaft when you do it. Do you see the slop?? </p><p>As for belt tension on the long y axis belts, that can affect your binding of the x carriage, and this needs to be evenly tensioned for this reason. </p><p>Also, don&#039;t overlook loose grub (set) screws and&nbsp; be sure your rods are clean and greased.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2013-06-10T17:49:51Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>fischelbyxa wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>1. and 4.</p></blockquote></div><p>It might be too thin to extrud infill for that area. Can you post a gcode&#039;s image and check to see if plastic is extruded in that area or not. (if it is... it might be retraction)</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>fischelbyxa wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>3. One of the gills got one layer of fill, there should be none. Bug in Slic3r? Or?</p></blockquote></div><p>looks like brim to me.. model with holes will have random brim created for it.. once again. check your gcode&#039;s graphical display, and display first layer and see if it&#039;s there or not with brim on and off.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2013-06-10T14:03:42Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Defective print - Printer or Slic3r?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>fischelbyxa wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>adrian wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Your Y-motor belt needs tightening. thats the cause of the oval holes. You may also have problems with your belt tension being uniform, but start with the y-motor.</p></blockquote></div><p>Just out of curiosity: What makes you target the Y axis and not the X axis? </p><p><strong>The y axis is usually just more likely to have issues with multiple belts and shafts you have a lot more tension problems and such especially with environment changes.<br /></strong><br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>adrian wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The one-layer fill could be slic3r, could be the model. Run it through cloud netfabb and see if the problem persists.</p></blockquote></div><p>Already did. The results are from a netfabb checked STL-file. I tried my own some time ago, that print had a lot of other problems, but the one-layer fill wasn&#039;t there.</p><p><strong>I have done a few models in sketckup and netfab and some still ended up with problems, I have been using freecad lately and once you get the hang of what not to do <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> it seems to slice better than similar models from sketchup.</strong></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>adrian wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>the off measurements are also due to steps-per-mm, and can also be due to misalignment and backlash in the x/y planes.</p></blockquote></div><p>You kind of thought that would be correct when you get it from Solidoodle. Print straight out of the box and all...</p></blockquote></div><p><strong>Well... they didn&#039;t say &#039;prints accurately out of the box&#039; <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></strong></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2013-06-09T23:43:48Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Defective print - Printer or Slic3r?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>adrian wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Your Y-motor belt needs tightening. thats the cause of the oval holes. You may also have problems with your belt tension being uniform, but start with the y-motor.</p></blockquote></div><p>Just out of curiosity: What makes you target the Y axis and not the X axis? </p><div class="quotebox"><cite>adrian wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The one-layer fill could be slic3r, could be the model. Run it through cloud netfabb and see if the problem persists.</p></blockquote></div><p>Already did. The results are from a netfabb checked STL-file. I tried my own some time ago, that print had a lot of other problems, but the one-layer fill wasn&#039;t there.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>adrian wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>the off measurements are also due to steps-per-mm, and can also be due to misalignment and backlash in the x/y planes.</p></blockquote></div><p>You kind of thought that would be correct when you get it from Solidoodle. Print straight out of the box and all...</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2013-06-09T16:19:36Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Your Y-motor belt needs tightening. thats the cause of the oval holes. You may also have problems with your belt tension being uniform, but start with the y-motor. </p><p>The one-layer fill could be slic3r, could be the model. Run it through cloud netfabb and see if the problem persists.</p><p>the gaps are indeed flow-rate.. have you calibrated your extruder steps-per-mm and flow-rate as per the wiki ?</p><p>the off measurements are also due to steps-per-mm, and can also be due to misalignment and backlash in the x/y planes.</p><p>First stop i&#039;d say is bung it through cloud netfabb, check your y-motor is tight without bending the link-rod, do a full extruder calibration of steps-per-mm and flow-rate using a test cube, and then reprint...</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[adrian]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-06-09T14:45:50Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Defective print - Printer or Slic3r?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Two images, the first is a 2D export from Sketchup showing what I was hoping for, the second a photograph of the actual result (with captions).</p><p>The defects:</p><p>1. The &quot;gills&quot; are slanted at 45 degrees. They are supposed to be solid, but there&#039;s a gap in all of them. It&#039;s like if the G-code assumed the walls would meet in the middle. Could this be flow rate (the walls should be thicker, but due to too low flow rate, there&#039;re not)? Or is it a problem in Slic3r (a plain old bug)? Or?</p><p>2. The two holes are not round. Is this an error in the printer setup (X and Y axis are not moving correct distances compared to each other)? Or?</p><p>3. One of the gills got one layer of fill, there should be none. Bug in Slic3r? Or?</p><p>4. The join between a floor and a wall leaves a massive gap. Slic3r? Misaligned printer? Or?</p><p>5. The overall measurements are slightly off: Length should be 120 mm, it is 120.20 mm. Width should be 70 mm, it is 70.84 mm. X and Y misalignment? Or?</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2013-06-09T14:29:57Z</updated>
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