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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Melt down!]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>What ronsii said... Or use a 2 transistor latching circuit as per some estops.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[adrian]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-06-29T02:11:43Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>As long as the right relay is picked with the right specs you should not have a problem with the relay burning out... it&#039;s when designers try to push the envelope on parts and push them to 100 percent or more of their ratings that you start to have problems... would be akin to the fuel pump relay in pretty much every automobile made in the U.S. since the late 80&#039;s early 90&#039;s they all have electrical fuel pumps with a relay on as long as the motor is running.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[ronsii]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/296/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-06-29T02:08:41Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Melt down!]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>2n2r5 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The problem comes with making it trip a relay to shut itself off. I guess with would have to be a normally open circuit that gets held closed while conditions are a-okay and goes open when thermistor screams or loses power/fails to read.</p></blockquote></div><p>then you have a relay that is being held closed for hours and could burn out at any time, thus shutting down a perfectly good print. probably better to just monitor your printer occasional, maybe a simple audible alarm to alert you of a condition in need of your attention. </p><p>lets face it, this technology is far from mature enough to hit print and forget like a laserjet. lol. i check on mine every 20-30 minutes, and i dont start a print if i know i have to go to sleep/out soon. i have had a few filament breaks so far, so i am designing and will be incorporating some sort of micro roller switch alarm bolt on for the mk4 extruder, complete with a coil spring filament strain relief for dealing with those pesky brittle filaments. could work an overtemp alarm for the PEEK into it with relative ease. but that project is superseeded by several others at the moment, like getting my rostock up and printing as a backup should anything happen to the SD3. haha.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[dkeeling728]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/2041/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-06-29T02:04:23Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>adrian wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Simpler electromechanical solution, which thus removes the need to ensure that a watchdog is inplace on the Sang to ensure the firmware hasn&#039;t locked up causing the issue....</p><p><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-pcs-Temperature-Switch-Thermostat-200-C-N-C-KSD-/260613907818">http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-pcs-Temperatu … 0613907818</a></p><p>Stick it against the PEEK barrel a bit further up than the nozzle end, inline with the heater cartridge.</p><p><a href="http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/KSD301-120-C-Normal-Close-NC-Temperature-Controlled-Switch-Thermostat-250V-10A-/200915910431">http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/KSD301-120-C … 0915910431</a></p><p>Stick that one inline on your Bed.</p></blockquote></div><p>Those are pretty big. I&#039;m not sure if they&#039;d get to 200C internally, even with the outside of the PEEK at 250C+. What you really care about is the temperature at the threads of the PEEK, and the only way to get that is drill the PEEK, insert thermistor.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-06-01T06:36:33Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>adrian wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Simpler electromechanical solution, which thus removes the need to ensure that a watchdog is inplace on the Sang to ensure the firmware hasn&#039;t locked up causing the issue....</p><p><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-pcs-Temperature-Switch-Thermostat-200-C-N-C-KSD-/260613907818">http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-pcs-Temperatu … 0613907818</a></p><p>Stick it against the PEEK barrel a bit further up than the nozzle end, inline with the heater cartridge.</p><p><a href="http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/KSD301-120-C-Normal-Close-NC-Temperature-Controlled-Switch-Thermostat-250V-10A-/200915910431">http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/KSD301-120-C … 0915910431</a></p><p>Stick that one inline on your Bed.</p></blockquote></div><p>Those are convenient temperatures! <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> Great idea! </p><p>I like this one for the hotend, I would put it right on the brass barrel if there is room.</p><p><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/2PCS-KSD301-Temperature-N-C-NC-Controlled-Control-Switch-250-C-/120932376088?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&amp;hash=item1c28219e18">http://www.ebay.com/itm/2PCS-KSD301-Tem … 1c28219e18</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[2n2r5]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1906/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-06-01T06:05:32Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Melt down!]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Simpler electromechanical solution, which thus removes the need to ensure that a watchdog is inplace on the Sang to ensure the firmware hasn&#039;t locked up causing the issue....</p><p><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-pcs-Temperature-Switch-Thermostat-200-C-N-C-KSD-/260613907818">http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-pcs-Temperatu … 0613907818</a></p><p>Stick it against the PEEK barrel a bit further up than the nozzle end, inline with the heater cartridge.</p><p><a href="http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/KSD301-120-C-Normal-Close-NC-Temperature-Controlled-Switch-Thermostat-250V-10A-/200915910431">http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/KSD301-120-C … 0915910431</a></p><p>Stick that one inline on your Bed.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[adrian]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-06-01T05:57:15Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I have a few spare hotends too. Maybe I will test it out with my ceramic one so I don&#039;t have to worry about melting it.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2013-06-01T03:21:25Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The problem comes with making it trip a relay to shut itself off. I guess with would have to be a normally open circuit that gets held closed while conditions are a-okay and goes open when thermistor screams or loses power/fails to read.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[2n2r5]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-06-01T03:20:41Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Melt down!]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>IanJohnson wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The Sanguinololu has extra analog pins that you might be able to use for an additional thermistor.&nbsp; I don&#039;t know how you would incorporate that into firmware however.</p></blockquote></div><p>Even better!</p><p>It&#039;d just be a few lines. You&#039;d probably want a resistor and a capacitor - the Sanguinololo uses a 1-pole RC filter to smooth things out.</p><p>Firmware is pretty easy - look for the code that holds the overtemperature fault trip, and add a line to check your new thermistor.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-05-31T23:55:41Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The Sanguinololu has extra analog pins that you might be able to use for an additional thermistor.&nbsp; I don&#039;t know how you would incorporate that into firmware however.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[IanJohnson]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-05-31T23:44:09Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Just use that spare sanguinololu and MOSFET to trip a 30A relay...</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-05-31T23:37:10Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>2n2r5, the stuck MOSFET is probably at the top of my list for problems needing a solution. Next would be getting a backup thermistor in play, mounted higher up the peek barrel. </p><p>Perhaps the techno wizards on this forum could come up with a solution to trip the dc to the board, as you suggest. I think it&#039;s a great way to handle the problem.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Briggs]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1282/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-05-31T23:32:38Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I have a spare Sanguinololu. I am sure I can find a way to use a thermistor to monitor the temp in the PEEK and kill the DC that feeds the other Sanguinololu board. Maybe with the mosfet of the hotend from my spare which can act as an inline power controller. My problem when mine went into melt down was that my mosfet was stuck open. Even when the max temp was tripped and the heater was told to turn off, there was still 12VDC feeding hotend. The only way to stop it was to kill the power supply feeding the board.</p><p>This is starting to sound like a frankenstein but I think it will work. What are the traces on the board rated for? Can I feed the entire Sanguinololu board through a mosfet? The mosfet is rated for 30A or something sick like that.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[2n2r5]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1906/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-05-31T21:38:39Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I know this is slightly off topic, but I use a box fan with some creative bits of cardboard placed to cool my electronics and motors. Works like a charm and is a little more reliable (about not just crapping out I mean) I know its not an elegant solution but it does work.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[frozensoda]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/738/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-05-31T20:50:07Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>That is a great idea, totally going with the X3. I&#039;ll let you know when I get it installed, may need some help on the firmware side of things. Thanks Ian.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Briggs]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-05-31T14:50:16Z</updated>
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