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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Gaps on Horizontal Surfaces]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Tomek,</p><p>Thanks!&nbsp; Direct bed measurement is how I&#039;m planning to do it...but if I do find a discrepancy, say, 1mm short over 100mm of intended travel, what is the best way to calculate the increase/decrease in step settings?</p><p>Edit:&nbsp; I think I&#039;ve got it...so if the default setting for steps / mm on Z is 2268 and I move 100mm, but the reading on my dial reads that I moved only 99mm:<br />- The move caused the Z motor to move 226800 steps (2268 x 100)<br />- It only physically moved 99mm;<br />- So 226800 / 99 = 2290.9 steps/mm<br />- Then my new setting should be 2290.9 (are decimal settings allowed?)</p><p>Is that correct?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[IronMan]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/131/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-08-23T15:16:47Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Gaps on Horizontal Surfaces]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>IronMan wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>2n2r5 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Your Z steps/mm might be off. Do you have a dial indicator that you can check to make sure 10mm of Z travel = 10 mm of actual travel</p></blockquote></div><p>2n2r5,</p><p>Just on a tangent, If you check the z-travel by indicator and it IS off by any significant amount, what is the best way to correct this?</p><p>I&#039;ve noticed a height loss of up to 1.5mm on a 100mm high print, but I just attributed that to shrinkage.&nbsp; Has not caused me too much trouble, but I am going to check the z-axis movement this weekend...</p></blockquote></div><p>Hi Ironman, </p><p>Best bet would be to change your steps per MM number in the eeprom. But I&#039;d test the high up and down as you manually move it, and not your final print (as there are a lot more issues that could happen to a print.)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Tomek]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/192/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-08-23T14:51:20Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Gaps on Horizontal Surfaces]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>2n2r5 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Your Z steps/mm might be off. Do you have a dial indicator that you can check to make sure 10mm of Z travel = 10 mm of actual travel</p></blockquote></div><p>2n2r5,</p><p>Just on a tangent, If you check the z-travel by indicator and it IS off by any significant amount, what is the best way to correct this?</p><p>I&#039;ve noticed a height loss of up to 1.5mm on a 100mm high print, but I just attributed that to shrinkage.&nbsp; Has not caused me too much trouble, but I am going to check the z-axis movement this weekend...</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[IronMan]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/131/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-08-23T14:30:29Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Gaps on Horizontal Surfaces]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>RavensCrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>2n2r5 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Your Z steps/mm might be off. Do you have a dial indicator that you can check to make sure 10mm of Z travel = 10 mm of actual travel</p></blockquote></div><p>if the cube is the correct height, you might be looking at filament size setting.</p></blockquote></div><br /><p>Humm I don&#039;t have a dial indicator, although it seems like a worthwhile thing to invest in. I&#039;ll poke around the hardware store and the internets later today. If you&#039;ve have a specific one you like and got it online let me know. </p><p>I measured the cube too, and it seems damn close to the correct height. It&#039;s just a 20mm cube I made in SketchUp and exported as an STL. </p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8410101/IMG_6683.JPG" alt="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8410101/IMG_6683.JPG" /></span></p><p>I measured the filament again, and I think it was off a tad. Set at 1.72, when it&#039;s probably more like 1.68 though I&#039;m not sure how big a difference it&#039;ll make, maybe just enough. </p><p>Anyways I&#039;m heating up the printer to do another test print right now so we&#039;ll see soon enough!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[gettingbored]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/2247/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-08-20T18:04:38Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Gaps on Horizontal Surfaces]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>2n2r5 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Your Z steps/mm might be off. Do you have a dial indicator that you can check to make sure 10mm of Z travel = 10 mm of actual travel</p></blockquote></div><p>if the cube is the correct height, you might be looking at filament size setting.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[RavensCrest]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/651/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-08-16T16:17:13Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Gaps on Horizontal Surfaces]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I thought the gaps in the flat surfaces were normal! </p><p>But I also have my flat layers more like a mess than a solid surface.</p><p>So things to try:</p><p>a) increase temp to &#039;spread out&#039; the filament more<br />b) change the nozzle width in settings so it thinks it&#039;s a little narrower than it is.</p><p>I think I will need a good calibration test to watch the results of this.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Gomisan]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/2861/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-08-16T01:42:27Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Gaps on Horizontal Surfaces]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>when i get gaps in my layers like that i move the bed closer to the nozzle, been workin for me.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[MolecularConcept]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/2211/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-08-16T00:22:49Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Gaps on Horizontal Surfaces]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Your Z steps/mm might be off. Do you have a dial indicator that you can check to make sure 10mm of Z travel = 10 mm of actual travel</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[2n2r5]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1906/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-08-15T21:05:39Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Gaps on Horizontal Surfaces]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The same thing happened to me, but the gaps appear vertically as well as on the top layer but that&#039;s fairly minor. I already tried the fix Lurkois posted above, but it just looks like the layer height, although correctly set for .3mm printing, isn&#039;t right...</p><p>Anybody know what&#039;s up with this? Should I just decrease my layer height?</p><p>Here are some pictures of what I&#039;m talking about. <br /><span class="postimg"><img src="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8410101/IMG_6675.JPG" alt="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8410101/IMG_6675.JPG" /></span><br /><span class="postimg"><img src="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8410101/IMG_6676.JPG" alt="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8410101/IMG_6676.JPG" /></span></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[gettingbored]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/2247/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-08-15T20:48:06Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Gaps on Horizontal Surfaces]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the reply IanJohnson.</p><p>I think I may have gotten this one figured out. When I upgraded to RH .85b a few new setting concerning extrusion width under the &quot;Advanced&quot; category in Slic3r which it had set to 0 - 0 being &quot;default&quot;, which was .42, exactly what I wanted.</p><p>Seems something&#039;s a bit wonky there though, as manually setting the 0 values to .42 fixed the problem, despite that being what they were supposed to have defaulted to anyway.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Lurkios]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1732/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-06-17T14:33:00Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Gaps on Horizontal Surfaces]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I run into that too.&nbsp; If the flow is giving me the right thickness of single thread walls, and the right dimensions, I tend to get gaps on the solid layers.&nbsp; If I turn up the extrusion multiplier a little, the gaps close up but then the dimensions come out maybe .15mm or .2mm larger.</p><p>You could try setting the nozzle diameter a little smaller, like .33&nbsp; It might make the rows a little closer together, though I&#039;m not sure what other effect it would have on dimensions.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[IanJohnson]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/14/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-06-16T23:09:19Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Gaps on Horizontal Surfaces]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Might be a temperature issue.&nbsp; If you are at the lower ends the plastic might not have time to &quot;spread out&quot;.&nbsp; You do seem to get some connection at the ends where the extruder changes direction which is where it would remain the hottest.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Shotline]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/2306/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-06-16T23:01:44Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Gaps on Horizontal Surfaces]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the advice Shotline, but my extrusion width is correct and the Z offset has been calibrated. (It&#039;s not just the first layer that experiences this issue, it&#039;s any horizontal surface.)</p><p>The part that&#039;s really confusing me is that the perimeters are all fine, it&#039;s just the fill that&#039;s an issue.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Lurkios]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1732/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-06-16T09:26:22Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/26519/#p26519</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Gaps on Horizontal Surfaces]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>While I am new to this (so take what I say with a few grains of salt) but it looks like your extrusion width might be off, check if it is set to .42.&nbsp; Also, ensure you have set your Z offset appropriately (if you don&#039;t have a problem with the print coming loose from the print bed you are probably ok).</p><p>Good luck.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Shotline]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/2306/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-06-15T22:55:55Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Gaps on Horizontal Surfaces]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>ronsii wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>What settings do you have in RH for the fill layers?</p></blockquote></div><p>Sorry, I&#039;m pretty new to this - not sure I&#039;m looking at the right thing. Where would I find those settings? (Infill?)</p><p>Right now I do have the Horizontal Shells setting at 4 and 4 solid layers for top and bottom.</p><p>Infill is .4, but at two layers I shouldn&#039;t be there yet, should I?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Lurkios]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1732/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-06-15T19:09:40Z</updated>
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