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	<updated>2013-04-30T12:03:39Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: On motors skipping steps - another insight]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve had y shifting issues on and off when running the printer from the Pengpod. Tonight I&#039;ve severed the 5V line from the USB as per the link (option 2) and so far the test print is ok.</p><p>Thanks to all for posting the resources here and on the wiki.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[lawsy]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/51/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-30T12:03:39Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: On motors skipping steps - another insight]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve waited long enough to do this myself...for me the issue potentially kills my connection to the printer anytime someone changes the ceiling fan speed in my office...derp fail.&nbsp; I never thought about it just throwing errors in the stepping, but now you&#039;ve brought that effect to my attention, I&#039;ll just fix that trace before my next print...a easy fix.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jefferysanders]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/106/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-10T13:08:38Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: On motors skipping steps - another insight]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>tealvince wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Rincewind wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I created a wiki page on this: <a href="http://www.soliwiki.com/Motor_skipping_steps">http://www.soliwiki.com/Motor_skipping_steps</a></p></blockquote></div><p>Excellent!&nbsp; And should the procedure and circumstances where one might want to isolate the Sanginololu from the USB power be mentioned here as well?</p></blockquote></div><p>Good point! I will add it (as soon as I finish compiling the list of compatible hardware I&#039;m working on ATM <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> )</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Rincewind]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/242/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-09T17:26:09Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: On motors skipping steps - another insight]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Rincewind wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I created a wiki page on this: <a href="http://www.soliwiki.com/Motor_skipping_steps">http://www.soliwiki.com/Motor_skipping_steps</a></p></blockquote></div><p>Excellent!&nbsp; And should the procedure and circumstances where one might want to isolate the Sanginololu from the USB power be mentioned here as well?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[tealvince]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/676/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-09T17:23:24Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: On motors skipping steps - another insight]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I created a wiki page on this: <a href="http://www.soliwiki.com/Motor_skipping_steps">http://www.soliwiki.com/Motor_skipping_steps</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Rincewind]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/242/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-09T17:12:48Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: On motors skipping steps - another insight]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>op7ical wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>That&#039;s true, I guess it shouldn&#039;t skip from that error.&nbsp; However, I have accidentally interrupted power to the machine once, and the print was shifted by a distance proportional to the time in which it lost power.&nbsp; This is a different problem, but it may be some use in rare occurrences.</p></blockquote></div><p>Ah, actually this situation is very interesting because there is a very logical explanation for it: the electronics stays powered by the USB but the motors don&#039;t move because they need the 12V. So from a firmware point of view, the machine is still printing fine, except it&#039;s not.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Rincewind]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/242/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-05T14:35:40Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: On motors skipping steps - another insight]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>This I&#039;m not sure. A baud rate mismatch would just make the printer fail connecting, and an error in the serial communication would be detected by the firmware with a line number of checksum mismatch.<br />I don&#039;t think it can cause skipping steps. Or do you have a different experience?</p></blockquote></div><p>That&#039;s true, I guess it shouldn&#039;t skip from that error.&nbsp; However, I have accidentally interrupted power to the machine once, and the print was shifted by a distance proportional to the time in which it lost power.&nbsp; This is a different problem, but it may be some use in rare occurrences.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[op7ical]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/712/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-05T14:31:55Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: On motors skipping steps - another insight]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>op7ical wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>This is very good to know.&nbsp; We should compile a list of problems that cause layer shifting / skipping.</p></blockquote></div><p>Thanks for the list. I think it is very important. I was also thinking about something along these lines</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>-USB communication dropouts due to physical connection, software, or baud rate mismatch</p></blockquote></div><p>This I&#039;m not sure. A baud rate mismatch would just make the printer fail connecting, and an error in the serial communication would be detected by the firmware with a line number of checksum mismatch.</p><p>I don&#039;t think it can cause skipping steps. Or do you have a different experience?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Rincewind]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/242/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-03T20:38:19Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: On motors skipping steps - another insight]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The USB issue and sleep mode (which I turned off in my laptop) I think causes some. When I hit space to wake up (even though machine is still running and HDD is set to no sleep in MAC) the printer still pauses then&nbsp; resumes. I bet this could easily cause a mis step</p><p>I also noticed you have to set the trim pots with the PSU power plugged in NOT JUST the USB power I found out it makes a big difference.</p><p>And I also noticed after all my fixes above, I still had shifts. I realized I might have a small clog in the nozzle. I heated up retracted the filament then pushed out burned plastic with a guitar string. And the next print when fine. I think the clog was causing the filament to come out at odd angles and either shift or drag across layers especially small ones </p><p>Simple fixed but immediate difference.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jjcuff1]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/251/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-03T18:27:38Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: On motors skipping steps - another insight]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>This is very good to know.&nbsp; We should compile a list of problems that cause layer shifting / skipping. </p><p>So far, I know of:<br />-Belt tension too tight or too loose, or uneven<br />-Inadequate lubrication for guide rods<br />-Set screws on pulley collars loose<br />-Stepper drivers overheating; require cooling<br />-Trimpot voltages incorrect (either stock, or caused by USB voltage variations)<br />-USB communication dropouts due to physical connection, software, or baud rate mismatch</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[op7ical]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/712/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-03T14:01:24Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[On motors skipping steps - another insight]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,</p><p>I wanted to share the experience I recently had with a motor skipping steps/layers shifting.</p><p>I have a solidoodle 2 that worked perfectly when attached to a computer, everything calibrated, smooth action. When attached to a different computer (a tablet, through a USB OTG interface), the print would work fine for a while, and then start skipping steps (in the Y direction, in my case). And they were not one or two steps either, sometimes a complete movement in the Y would be ignored and for a diagonal move, only the X component would be executed.</p><p>It took me some time to track down the problem: it was not mechanical, it was not the serial communication... In the end it turned out that the problem was with the USB voltage.</p><p>Apparently, the OTG interface had a voltage supply a bit higher than 5V, and this was shifting the references throughout the Sanguinololu board. In fact, the Y trimpot voltage was 40mV higher while connected to the tablet than when connected to the PC.</p><p>In the end, I solved the problem at the root by cutting the 5V supply from the USB as suggested <a href="http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?158,109719,123850#msg-123850">here</a>.</p><p>I think that adjusting the trimpots would have also worked, but that would have meant a readjustment every time I changed the computer driving the SD, which I didn&#039;t want.</p><p>This is NOT the only and not even the most common reason for layer shifting, but I think it was worth sharing because it was a tricky problem. And I guess the take-home message is: <strong>the trimpot voltages can change when connecting the Solidoodle to a different computer.</strong></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Rincewind]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/242/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-03T07:36:09Z</updated>
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