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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Layers drifting/offset north causing "stairstep" effect]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Finally figured it out. It had been a little bit since I greased it up (a little BreakFree goes a long ways) but not that long, maybe just got poor coverage. </p><p>Before I did that I was trying to figure out why is unidirectional, always in the same direction, Y axis and shifting up. It was 2-3 times harder to move along the Y axis than it was the X. Seemed weird since I never had this issue until recently. I loosened the y-axis NEMA a bit, and it immediately moved more freely. </p><p>Added grease, prints like a boss.</p><p>I need to try some of the mods eventually... only thing is, it prints so well, I kind of like it being stock. I may make a reprap and use that as my screw around machine. </p><p>Thanks for the help guys!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Caucasian]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/9/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-05-06T23:25:37Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Layers drifting/offset north causing "stairstep" effect]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>If it was a heating issue I think I&#039;d have run into it already since it has already seen one summer and it is kept well ventilated.</p></blockquote></div><p>The electronics can overheat quite unpredictably.&nbsp; Mine worked great for months until the boards began to overheat consistently.&nbsp; Then I just added a fan, and it worked perfectly.</p><p>It is a very simple mod to try out, and definitely worth it.&nbsp; Had I known that could be an issue when I was troubleshooting, I could have saved 15+ hours of work.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[op7ical]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/712/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-05-01T05:42:57Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Layers drifting/offset north causing "stairstep" effect]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Got any pics of the print after it has done the stairstepping?</p><p>Also have you checked the stepper driver voltages as they can change over time especially with temperature changes.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[ronsii]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/296/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-05-01T01:40:17Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/21493/#p21493</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Layers drifting/offset north causing "stairstep" effect]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>So, after months of not having any issues with mine, I&#039;m running into this issue. </p><p>I was messing with some of the settings, but reset to factory to rule that out as a cause.</p><p>I am still running the one step installer off the site (fresh install for troubleshootings sake). Everything is completely stock from SD. I have greased once, but everything is sliding fine, nothing broken...</p><p>If it was a heating issue I think I&#039;d have run into it already since it has already seen one summer and it is kept well ventilated.</p><p>What&#039;s happening is about 2/3s the way through a print it is stair-stepping upwards. It always happens at around 2/3rds of the way through a print. If it is 3mm tall, or 3 inches. It also appears that the larger the print, the larger the jump. </p><p>I am totally lost on this one.</p><p>Anyone got any suggestions?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Caucasian]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/9/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-05-01T00:51:23Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/21488/#p21488</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Layers drifting/offset north causing "stairstep" effect]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>pcpoirier wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>White lithium grease.&nbsp; I have been meaning to try silicone.<br />Just clean with a cloth or paper towel.</p></blockquote></div><p>NO! Don&#039;t do that. I tried silicone and it seemed to gum-up after a while and made things worse. Stick with the while stuff.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[FatalDischarge]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/587/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-18T02:10:55Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/20257/#p20257</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Layers drifting/offset north causing "stairstep" effect]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Great Hunter,</p><p>I will remember this one.....</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[DesignerFred]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1277/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-15T04:35:18Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Layers drifting/offset north causing "stairstep" effect]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Boy, when I started to read this thread it was like deja vu for me! I had the same problem with my Solidoode2 in that I would have shifts but in the Y axis. After w number of emails and belt setting and shaft lubrication it came down to the stepper motor voltage. If it is set too high it will create kind of an overdrive current. Mine would thump and skip usually at a turn point or a Z axis move. I&#039;m not sure how &#039;techy&#039; you are to check the voltages but customer support will help with that. Go to Solidoodle home page and under &#039;How To&#039; scroll to &#039;Troubleshooting&#039;. In there you will find a variety of setup measures including stepper motor voltages. Note that its not for the squeamish but being careful and patient should yield great results. Good luck!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[andychev]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/836/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-15T01:30:12Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Layers drifting/offset north causing "stairstep" effect]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Glad to hear it helped.&nbsp; I had a huge skipping problem too, and once it was fixed, everything looked a lot brighter.</p><p>The gaps could either be a weird slicing or model design issue (scroll through layer preview in RH to see if the gaps are present in simulation), or they could be from backlash.&nbsp; Backlash can be treated with the perfect circle alignment procedure from Solidoodle.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[op7ical]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/712/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-14T22:54:41Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/19940/#p19940</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Layers drifting/offset north causing "stairstep" effect]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://www.soliforum.com/post/19937/#p19937" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Dude, I could kiss you.&nbsp; After about a dozen failed prints on the same design, I put in 1mm Z lift and... bam.</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=642424029105279"><span class="postimg"><img src="https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/529342_642424029105279_1964907338_n.jpg" alt="https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/529342_642424029105279_1964907338_n.jpg" /></span></a></p><p>Now, if you look closely you can see some kind of &quot;gaps&quot; in the print, so I am not out of the woods yet, but this is huge progress.</p><p>Ian Johnson suggested if Z lift helps, I may need to print a &quot;<a href="http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:36177">Z Nut Hugger</a>&quot; and that&#039;ll help more than the Z lift does.</p><p>I&#039;m feeling very encouraged that there&#039;s progress.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Hunter Green]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1356/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-14T22:45:48Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/19937/#p19937</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Layers drifting/offset north causing "stairstep" effect]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>So your extruder is bumping into the object as it moves?&nbsp; This definitely can cause skipping.&nbsp; A simple thing to try at this point is to add a Z-Lift.&nbsp; In RH, configure Slic3r -&gt;Printer Settings -&gt; Extruder 1 -&gt; Lift Z</p><p>Set that parameter to a large distance like 1mm just for testing purposes.&nbsp; Once you figure the problem out you could tone it down, if it turns out to help.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[op7ical]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/712/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-14T20:09:58Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/19917/#p19917</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Layers drifting/offset north causing "stairstep" effect]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Loosening back to the state they were in when I started (or a tiny bit looser) didn&#039;t help.</p><p>Every single skip seems to correspond to a moment when the extruder is about to make a long move, often between layers, or between distant parts of the same layer, and every time, it &quot;bumps&quot; into a part of the already-made object on the way, usually right near the beginning of the long move.</p><p>I still have to try lithiium grease after I have a chance to buy some.&nbsp; There is also the stepper motor thing that Solidoodle Support would have to walk me through, though I don&#039;t know how likely it is it could be something like that given the symptomology.&nbsp; Otherwise... what&#039;s left to try?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Hunter Green]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1356/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-14T18:39:40Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/19914/#p19914</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Layers drifting/offset north causing "stairstep" effect]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://www.soliforum.com/post/19893/#p19893" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Neat idea, though if I can&#039;t print, a printable gauge isn&#039;t going to help me since I can&#039;t print it to use it to solve my problem until my problem has already been solved.</p><p>Later today I&#039;m going to try loosening and doing a few more attempts at a test.&nbsp; Since it takes about an hour to get the bed up to temperature for each test, trial and error is a very slow method of solving this, but it&#039;s all I&#039;ve got.&nbsp; I&#039;ll probably pick up some grease after work tomorrow.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Hunter Green]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1356/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2013-04-14T12:25:10Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/19893/#p19893</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Layers drifting/offset north causing "stairstep" effect]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot of math involved in how tight the belts should be and the tightness, if you were to be exact, would need to be adjusted based on the speed of each individual print that you did.&nbsp; This being said, there is a large range of tightness that will print very high quality parts without jumping.&nbsp; Ian has made a belt tension gauge that can help make sure the belts are the same tension.</p><p><a href="http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:38952">http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:38952</a></p><p>The belts running in the y direction should be surprisingly loose.&nbsp; The y belt in the back bottom left hand corner should be quite snug.&nbsp; The tension gauge gives you a starting point and empirical data that will let you work your way towards the sweet spot for your doodle.&nbsp; It seems frustrating, but will be fixed in short order if you take your time.</p><p>Do grab some grease and make sure the rods are well lubed.&nbsp; Also, the fan on the board will always help, so I would suggest continuing to use that even when you solve the belt problem.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jooshs]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/13/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-13T17:53:30Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/19837/#p19837</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Layers drifting/offset north causing "stairstep" effect]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>MeshMoth: look up thread, I have already posted a video of the print jumping so you can hear the noise.</p><p>I tried a print yesterday with a fan pointing at the board.&nbsp; Not only did it still do a jump, it did a bigger jump than it has ever done before, like 2 centimeters (not millimeters, centimeters) right after the first jump.</p><p>What changed to cause this?&nbsp; Easy.&nbsp; Having been told a jillion times to adjust the belt tightness, without being told how much is too tight or too loose (I even posted a picture trying to demonstrate how tight it was and no one responded), I tried adjusting it to tighter.&nbsp; It ended up way too tight; I could tell because the motor wouldn&#039;t run and made a terrible noise.&nbsp; I then tried to loosen it and one of the screws went a bit too far and came out of the nut.&nbsp; I then spent about an hour trying to find a way to get it back into place before I finally found one that worked.&nbsp; I tried to adjust the belts back to about as tight as they had been before this experiment, but clearly they&#039;re wrong in whichever direction they were before, only more so.</p><p>So I&#039;m thinking the problem is probably something to do with the belts, but since no one can tell me how tight they should be (beyond the entirely unhelpful direction of &quot;just right&quot;) I don&#039;t see much chance of me just happening to stumble on the right tightness.&nbsp; Someone told me in IRC that it doesn&#039;t really matter that precisely how tight they are, just that it be balanced, but I don&#039;t know what else would explain why it&#039;s suddenly making far worse jumps than it was.</p><p>(I still haven&#039;t tried the grease, though.&nbsp; I have to stop and buy some next chance I get.&nbsp; I suppose it&#039;s possible that it got more ungreased during my efforts to reattach the belt.)</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Hunter Green]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1356/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2013-04-13T13:29:04Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/19824/#p19824</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Layers drifting/offset north causing "stairstep" effect]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hunter Green, try watching the entire print. Let us know what the printer does when it shifts. It may make an ugly sound or something out of the ordinary. Better yet, take a video with your phone or camera.</p><p>Could be the extruder nozzle hitting the cooled plastic and its getting stuck or they didn&#039;t tighten one of the screws on the rod or something.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[MeshMoth]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/19/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-13T09:25:47Z</updated>
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