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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Oozing vs. layer shift]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm,.... I&#039;m skeptical that heat of any kind is the issue, since shifting even happens, when printing the 1st layer as you can see on the first picture.</p><p>Voltage could be the issue, since the machine uses different steppers for X/Y and Z/E. Might have switched some drivers around...</p><p>Regarding the belt, I&#039;m thinking of making a pulley system that will allow me to tighten the loop belt. I can&#039;t seem to find any other way to tighten it, without drilling in to the chassis. The screw holes do not look adjustable at all.</p><p>Thanks for the comments, guys. Much appreciated!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[maticmeister]]></name>
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			<updated>2019-06-10T06:28:42Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Oozing vs. layer shift]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hot motor drivers can also cause shifting. Some boards need a fan for this reason.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[carl_m1968]]></name>
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			<updated>2019-06-09T16:31:23Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Oozing vs. layer shift]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>oozing means you are running too hot - lower the temp a little. you want to run PLA as cool as you can, but still have good layer adhesion.</p><p>layer shifting can be a couple of things - none of which are fixable with firmware modifications.</p><p>#1 - loose belts are the number one culprit for layer issues. A closed loop belt should have some way of adjusting - loosen the screws holding the motor in place and try moving it.</p><p>#2 - voltage to the motors - you want to run the voltage as low as possible without causing skipping.<br />when printer is running, touch the motors - if they are too hot to hold your finger on then voltage is most likely too high. Overheating motors will cause shifting like you are seeing.</p><p>#3 - if voltage is set per above, but the motor still gets hot, you may need to add a fan to it to keep it cool.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[heartless]]></name>
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			<updated>2019-06-09T15:01:42Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Oozing vs. layer shift]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone!</p><p>I&#039;ve been trying to make an old Creatbot DX3 run smoothly for about 6 months now (that&#039;s how long it took me to realize that you should buy new filament instead of using 3-year-old, brittle one, that you found in a dusty, moist basement).</p><p>The printer works as expected and makes great and accurate prints with even 3-4x the speed I&#039;m using at the moment (1500mm/min), but I keep getting layers shifted! Slowing things down helps, (though no one likes waiting 5h for a small print), but then the oozing gets out of control.... </p><p>I&#039;ve attached two print pictures (retraction cubes and a custom one) where both oozing and layer shift can be seen. The material is PLA, using Simplify 3D to slice.</p><p>I&#039;ve checked/did the following things to try and handle the two issues:<br /> - belt tension, y-direction belt is a bit loose (no way to tighten since its a small loop), but the shi(f)t happens in both directions<br /> - jerk adjustment (see code below)<br /> - max acceleration adjustment (see code below)<br /> - max stepper motor current adjustment (see code below)<br /> - replacing stepper motor driver circuit<br /> - increasing the current on the driver circuit (potentiometer adjustment)<br /> - slowing everything down (1500mm/min print speed, 20000mm/min x/y movement speed)<br /> - z-hop set at 0.3mm and retraction distance and speed at&nbsp; 5mm and 2000mm/min<br /> - reduction of print temp from 220 to 200°C (recommended temp is 190-210°C)<br /> - turning off the heat-bed during print, in case the steppers aren&#039;t getting enough current</p><p>Start script excerpt:<br /></p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>; current adjustment
M907 X1200 Y1200 Z1100 E1250
; Maximal acceleration
M201 X1000 Y1000 Z200 E1000
; Default acceleration for Print Retract Travel
M204 P1300 R1300 T1300
; Jerk
M205 X8 Y8 Z0.3 E5</code></pre></div><p>All of this helped, but did not solve the problem completely. l I don&#039;t think the layers should be shifting at such low movement speeds, which they do. Oozing I can live with, but each one layer shift ruins the print....</p><p>Anyone got an idea, what else to check/adjust/replace/hammer?</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?Bt5Rn2D.jpg" alt="retraction cubes" /></span> </p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?PO9Uujv.jpg" alt="a custom one" /></span></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[maticmeister]]></name>
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			<updated>2019-06-09T14:04:07Z</updated>
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