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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Alternate screw and tube- Water Jet cut parts]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>carl_m1968 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I doubt the plastic auger is going to be able to withstand the pressure it will be subjected to. My guess is the teeth will just sheer off.</p></blockquote></div><p>Sorry, that is just a model.&nbsp; I forgot to actually state that the parts would be water-jet cut out of steel.&nbsp; Probably stainless for the screw.&nbsp; Not sure on the body. That would be about heat transfer and surface roughness.</p><p>The plastic parts were just to get a feel for it.</p><p>The length is still way short compared to the usual L/D for an extruder.</p><p>My printrbot wasn&#039;t the greatest at getting the square hole in the screw elements straight- and it wasn&#039;t the exact size it was supposed to be, so I had to sand down the square dowel that I was using as a center- so the individual elements don&#039;t line up perfectly.</p><p>ETA- I did think about getting a low temp element for this plastic model and using wax to test it out at a low temp.</p>]]></content>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Alternate screw and tube- Water Jet cut parts]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I doubt the plastic auger is going to be able to withstand the pressure it will be subjected to. My guess is the teeth will just sheer off.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[carl_m1968]]></name>
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			<updated>2019-02-17T20:05:34Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Alternate screw and tube- Water Jet cut parts]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m not an an engineer, I&#039;m a materials guy.&nbsp; I want to be able to make new filaments with unique polymer blends, pigments and fillers and modifiers.&nbsp; For that, I want an extruder with the ability to go to higher temps, have shear/mixing properties that I can change, and most of all I want it easy to tear down and clean.&nbsp; A bit more efficient through-put would be nice too.</p><p>I saw the thread about the alternate screws like the hammer drills and had finger-banged a bunch of them at the local hardware store trying to figure out a way to make it work.&nbsp; </p><p>I then thought about making a screw and even the extruder body out of water jet cut metal.</p><p>The screw would be made of alternate vanes differing by set degrees around a square drive.&nbsp; The degress would change to provide a positive advance of the material.</p><p>Here are some screen shots of my TinkerCad (so you understand my level of engineering experience) and 3D printed parts from my Printrbot in blue Tglas.</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?yV6OCQ4.jpg" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?yV6OCQ4.jpg" /></span></p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?PbtELmf.png" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?PbtELmf.png" /></span></p><p>You can even vary the depth of the screw vanes.&nbsp; I set these up to fit in at least a pellet depth in the feed section, and then reduce the free volume as melt would happen and then actually have a zero-progression, but mixing section.&nbsp; Kind of like a real screw on a real extruder.</p><p>I really think that could work.</p><p>The body is a bit more challenging.&nbsp; You can water jet cut metal up to a few inches thick.&nbsp; But it the body would have to be longer and made of parts that would have to be held together.&nbsp; I put a bolt down either side.</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?7SM3cse.png" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?7SM3cse.png" /></span></p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?ko9zrnu.jpg" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?ko9zrnu.jpg" /></span></p><p>I don&#039;t know how much clamping pressure I would need?&nbsp; I don&#039;t have a place for the heater band, but I think a heater cartridge in a hole like the bolt is in, on the top and bottom for dual heating would do it.&nbsp; </p><p>Then it goes into a some step down sections to get to the standard brass nozzle.</p><p>Since I have some compression built into the decrease in free volume in the screw, I really don&#039;t know what will happen under pressure when running.&nbsp; The stories about the purge compound and the pressure increases with that causing the brass end gave me pause.</p><p>Also not sure about the cost of the water jet (which I picked due to being able to cut thicker extruder body sections).&nbsp; &nbsp;The screw needs to be from about 1/8 inch stock (IIRC) to get the turns about what looks right.</p><p>I think the screw design has some merit.&nbsp; I just don&#039;t know if it can be done with the current size pipe.&nbsp; Keeping it so that the square stock is strong enough to provide the turning force without torsioning is what I&#039;m not sure of.</p><p>I&#039;d also want to keep the screw from rubbing against the body, so controlling that better than I see in my early version Filastruder would be something else to design in.</p><p>One way around the tube issue would be to use a bigger standard pipe- but I can&#039;t find a bigger standard brass &#039;plug&#039; or die end.&nbsp; Something like 30mm or so would be about what I need.</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?neh69TP.jpg" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?neh69TP.jpg" /></span></p><p>I think all of these are things that could be dealt with and the price of a Filabot is so high that I think there is still room- but then I saw the Welllzoom extruders for $600 and complete lines for $2400.&nbsp; &nbsp;Not sure if I trust them.&nbsp; I know someone that has one and they have run it in a commercial lab setting as lab extruder and they have been happy with it.</p><p>Is this a viable option for a variation of the Filastruder?</p>]]></content>
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