<![CDATA[SoliForum - 3D Printing Community — Standards in FDM, et al.]]> 2018-07-20T11:11:58Z PunBB https://www.soliforum.com/topic/17463/standards-in-fdm-et-al/ <![CDATA[Re: Standards in FDM, et al.]]> Great stuff, going to have a read of it.

Been busy with other stuff, so I will be in and out from time to time.

This is the sort of information that is useful to archive, these days you can't rely on the internet persisting or links surviving as sites neglect the most basic of things, rerouting of old URL's in to the new style so that old material can be accessed.

So its a good idea to PDF the item by printing it of and uploading it as a document to the site for reference.

My data doesn't click over for another week, so I am stuck with surfing a few hours a day, an upload would kill my data very quickly.

]]> https://www.soliforum.com/user/18727/ 2018-07-20T11:11:58Z https://www.soliforum.com/post/145206/#p145206 <![CDATA[Re: Standards in FDM, et al.]]> There is apparently some effort to create standards for reprap

https://reprap.org/wiki/RepRap_Interface_Standard

https://www.reprap.org/wiki/Standards_Development

https://reprap.org/wiki/Motor_Shield_Standard

https://reprap.org/wiki/Groove_Mount

https://reprap.org/wiki/Vertical_X_Axis_Standard

https://reprap.org/wiki/Prusa_i3


NIST National Institute of standards & Technology has some interesting material related to polymer based additive
manufacturing





https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/ams/N … .100-5.pdf

]]> https://www.soliforum.com/user/6775/ 2018-07-19T00:27:05Z https://www.soliforum.com/post/145191/#p145191 <![CDATA[Re: Standards in FDM, et al.]]> Fell down a rabbit hole. Not literally or figuratively... Laid up with a poorly back from the incident. today is the first day I can actually sit down... I have a damaged Sacroiliac  and little things like sneezing, coughing or stumbling set it off and I am on my back for anything from a few days to the major marathon 9 month period I spent mostly laying down because I couldn't stand for more than a few minutes.

Yes I found that ISO standards exist for several control languages and a few other interesting bits of information that has helped a little. Still looking, can't afford the £40 for the ISO standard booklet.

]]> https://www.soliforum.com/user/18727/ 2018-07-18T08:04:37Z https://www.soliforum.com/post/145183/#p145183 <![CDATA[Re: Standards in FDM, et al.]]> From your lack of response can i assume you finally got the answers you were looking for ?

]]> https://www.soliforum.com/user/6775/ 2018-07-16T21:57:05Z https://www.soliforum.com/post/145164/#p145164 <![CDATA[Re: Standards in FDM, et al.]]> Reprap g code cheat sheet here:
http://www.makeit-3d.com/wp-content/upl … tSheet.pdf

You may also want to read here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-code
and here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o … al_control


The below link is info on g code compilers

https://technobauble.ca/computer-numeri … omplilers/

The last ratified standard was in 1980, and the last open source variant in 2000 (RS274NGC_3.pdf – 2000). Most manufacturers extend it in their own directions, making incompatible changes to others doing the same thing.

And the link to the latest standard for compilers.
https://code.google.com/archive/p/rs274ngc/downloads

]]> https://www.soliforum.com/user/6775/ 2018-07-14T18:57:12Z https://www.soliforum.com/post/145134/#p145134 <![CDATA[Re: Standards in FDM, et al.]]> Invention is often the compilation or re purposing of existing technology.
And do not blame the internet.  Thomas Edison is taught to be Americas greatest inventor. This is mainly because he marketed himself and patented the inventions of his workers. George Westinghouse  and Nikola Tesla contributed  just as much if not more to society.
The Hollerith card used in the  1890 census and for computer program storage until somewhere in the early 2000s  can be traced back to the automated loom from 1725.

The fax machine was patented in Great Brittan in 1843 but was not commercialized  until more like 1963.

]]> https://www.soliforum.com/user/6775/ 2018-07-14T14:40:09Z https://www.soliforum.com/post/145130/#p145130 <![CDATA[Re: Standards in FDM, et al.]]> ... and history teaches us that the person who claims to be the first is often not the first. Like Bill Gates who stole off Steve Jobs and
those of napster fame were reported to have stolen the software off a student who was "Napping" on their laptop and plenty of other stories float around and since following the links I see, Someone is claiming to have invented FDM, which I do not believe for one second.

We have Charles Hull form the US claiming he invented FDM by way of STL in 1986, however it on further investigation appear in 1980 in Japan... yet you input inventor od 3D printing, chances are you get Stratsys at the top of the pile and considering that they were late to the dinner party, goes to show just how people see themselves on the internet when the truth is far from the reality we are presented.

So that alone blow many holes in several peoples claims to be the granddaddy of FDM.

So Hull and Clump I think need to wind it back in a bit.
This is the problem with the internet, the person who shouts loudest and often gets pole position and falsely claim that throne.

If I said "DOT MATRIX PRINTER" you are going to instantly thing of the 1980's... WRONG, think of 1925.

]]> https://www.soliforum.com/user/18727/ 2018-07-14T09:41:15Z https://www.soliforum.com/post/145116/#p145116 <![CDATA[Re: Standards in FDM, et al.]]> Tin Falcon wrote:

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4973
This is documentation for one of the first commercially made open source printers.
the maker bot thing o matic.

Interesting.

I can see some parts in there look very similar to other designs already!

From it, I have alredy jumped down that little rabbit hole... See where it goes.

]]> https://www.soliforum.com/user/18727/ 2018-07-14T08:31:59Z https://www.soliforum.com/post/145114/#p145114 <![CDATA[Re: Standards in FDM, et al.]]>

Someone somewhere published a document on FDM or CNC or wherever this idea came from. Thats the document I am looking for because someone doesn't go and kick start a hobby scene that others follow with no instructions... There has to be a or more than one document online.

3d printing started as an industrial venture in the 1980s
the reprap movement has been around about 10 years.
Look up the history of 3d printing. 

The info is out there you jut may need to dig a bit.

]]> https://www.soliforum.com/user/6775/ 2018-07-14T01:29:42Z https://www.soliforum.com/post/145112/#p145112 <![CDATA[Re: Standards in FDM, et al.]]> carl_m1968 wrote:
heartless wrote:

ok - so the various components used in 3d printers DO have appropriate "standards" - NEMA motors, the controller boards, and various other bits & pieces.. but HOW those components are put together does not have specific "standards" because it is a HOBBY market, NOT a consumer market, per se..

Yes, the big companies may have "standards" written specifically for their machines - DaVinci, Makerbot, Dremel, etc - BUT those are "CLOSED source" machines - Proprietary - they do not share that info.

Open Source is just that - you are open to source your own bits & pieces and put them together however you like - maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. That is called "innovation".
No, the information is not documented all neat & tidy the way you seem to want it to be, but it IS out there IF you take the time to look for it.


You know he is going to want you to supply links... ^_^

LOL - aint got time for all that...

I did suggest that the info is out there - one just has to look.
(and no, I wont do the looking for someone else.. if they want it bad enough, they will figure it out) =P

]]> https://www.soliforum.com/user/10399/ 2018-07-14T01:13:42Z https://www.soliforum.com/post/145111/#p145111 <![CDATA[Re: Standards in FDM, et al.]]> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4973
This is documentation for one of the first commercially made open source printers.
the maker bot thing o matic.

]]> https://www.soliforum.com/user/6775/ 2018-07-14T00:49:28Z https://www.soliforum.com/post/145110/#p145110 <![CDATA[Re: Standards in FDM, et al.]]> Tin Falcon wrote:

some kind of standard that allows gCode from one system to be run on another

IMHO there are just to many variants in 3d printers  to allow for this.
And with slicers g code is more or less disposable.
And hobbyists are continually changing settings and hardware.
this is why stl files are shared instead.

Thats the whole point, what people do after is up to them.

What I am trying to scratch the surface of is where the standard ORIGINALLY came from, Industry is the usual suspect.

It doesn't matter what people do after thats always going to happen, like while I was building my kit, I made changes to improve the build and building it I put in the same sort of care I would and built it so that it was setup and worked on first print.

So in a nutshell, what happens after is completely irrelevant to what I am asking.

Now information should be out there, I am asking for that information and its not about every printer is different, that again is completely irrelevant.

Someone somewhere published a document on FDM or CNC or wherever this idea came from. Thats the document I am looking for because someone doesn't go and kick start a hobby scene that others follow with no instructions... There has to be a or more than one document online.

]]> https://www.soliforum.com/user/18727/ 2018-07-14T00:26:31Z https://www.soliforum.com/post/145109/#p145109 <![CDATA[Re: Standards in FDM, et al.]]>

You know he is going to want you to supply links

IMHO it help to know what one is looking for  when searching.
I did provide several links to some well documented open source projects

]]> https://www.soliforum.com/user/6775/ 2018-07-13T23:48:10Z https://www.soliforum.com/post/145108/#p145108 <![CDATA[Re: Standards in FDM, et al.]]> heartless wrote:

ok - so the various components used in 3d printers DO have appropriate "standards" - NEMA motors, the controller boards, and various other bits & pieces.. but HOW those components are put together does not have specific "standards" because it is a HOBBY market, NOT a consumer market, per se..

Yes, the big companies may have "standards" written specifically for their machines - DaVinci, Makerbot, Dremel, etc - BUT those are "CLOSED source" machines - Proprietary - they do not share that info.

Open Source is just that - you are open to source your own bits & pieces and put them together however you like - maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. That is called "innovation".
No, the information is not documented all neat & tidy the way you seem to want it to be, but it IS out there IF you take the time to look for it.


You know he is going to want you to supply links... ^_^

]]> https://www.soliforum.com/user/7731/ 2018-07-13T23:30:59Z https://www.soliforum.com/post/145107/#p145107 <![CDATA[Re: Standards in FDM, et al.]]> ok - so the various components used in 3d printers DO have appropriate "standards" - NEMA motors, the controller boards, and various other bits & pieces.. but HOW those components are put together does not have specific "standards" because it is a HOBBY market, NOT a consumer market, per se..

Yes, the big companies may have "standards" written specifically for their machines - DaVinci, Makerbot, Dremel, etc - BUT those are "CLOSED source" machines - Proprietary - they do not share that info.

Open Source is just that - you are open to source your own bits & pieces and put them together however you like - maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. That is called "innovation".
No, the information is not documented all neat & tidy the way you seem to want it to be, but it IS out there IF you take the time to look for it.

]]> https://www.soliforum.com/user/10399/ 2018-07-13T22:51:05Z https://www.soliforum.com/post/145106/#p145106