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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: An Interesting Y axis problem]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>josefcub wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>aaand it was the loop belt.</p><p>Got replacements in from SDP, and the problem vanished when I replaced my old-new loop belt with one these.&nbsp; Now I&#039;ve got two more SDs to refit, and a fourth to finally assemble, now that I know what the issue was.</p></blockquote></div><p>IF 2GT pulley not aligned well may shorten loop belt life span and contribute to this. I ran into similar issue with different machine, I have bad alignment and the problem is more obvious. If this is something you normally overlook, worth to double check.</p><p><a href="http://wiki.solidoodle.com/belt-adjustment">http://wiki.solidoodle.com/belt-adjustment</a></p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>awesome news</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>aaand it was the loop belt.</p><p>Got replacements in from SDP, and the problem vanished when I replaced my old-new loop belt with one these.&nbsp; Now I&#039;ve got two more SDs to refit, and a fourth to finally assemble, now that I know what the issue was.</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>carl_m1968 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I don&#039;t see mentioned where you have tried a&nbsp; new motor or swapped a motor. Did I miss it? Looks to me like a motor issue. One phase not firing fully or the other phase firing too much. Could be a bad coil in the motor.</p></blockquote></div><p>I did, actually:</p><p>&quot;Replaced the Y axis motor with a known good Kysan&quot;</p><p>Known good because it spent time on the Y axis of a MendelMax that didn&#039;t exhibit this problem.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2018-03-01T00:42:06Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t see mentioned where you have tried a&nbsp; new motor or swapped a motor. Did I miss it? Looks to me like a motor issue. One phase not firing fully or the other phase firing too much. Could be a bad coil in the motor.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2018-03-01T00:38:32Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[An Interesting Y axis problem]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>TL;DR - Y axis on multiple 2GT Solidoodles does this.&nbsp; I replaced lots of stuff.&nbsp; What have I missed?</p><p>Hey gang!</p><p>I&#039;ve been working on a very frustrating problem on my SD3s and SD4s for a while.&nbsp; A synopsis is in this picture:</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?DLQje11.jpg" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?DLQje11.jpg" /></span></p><p>There are small, periodic waves along the Y axis of any print at any size.&nbsp; The period, according to my caliper is about a millimeter (0.52mm PtP).&nbsp; These also show up on curves and diagonal sections.&nbsp; This ruins any artistic print.&nbsp; </p><p>The X axis is unaffected.</p><p>I first found this on my SD3, and later discovered through examination that my GT2-upgraded SD4s are doing it too (The SD4s only print natural ABS for working parts, so I never bothered to -look- until recently).</p><p>Things I&#039;ve tried (soft/firmware) on the affected SD3:</p><ul><li><p>Changed print speeds (from slow to fast) in Slic3r and S3d<br />Changed acceleration and jerk settings<br />Changed microsteps from 16 to 8 (in hardware and firmware)</p></li></ul><p>I changed those back when it had no effect, and it was clear this wasn&#039;t just extreme ringing and the resistors on the Stepstick clones and Pololu showed these were probably not &#039;Stepstuck&#039; issues that A4988 drivers can supposedly have.</p><p>I then began replacing hardware on the SD3:</p><ul><li><p>Changed motor driver to a Pololu brand A4988 driver<br />Switched to a known-good RepRapDiscount RAMPS 1.4 and Taurino Power from another printer<br />Tuned the motor driver, and also ran it deliberately below and above optimal with no change<br />Replaced all three belts and ensured proper tension (I&#039;m glad I had some Gates belting lying around, but the loop belt isn&#039;t name-brand)<br />Replaced the 2GT idlers and all three 6mm bore pulleys<br />Replaced the 6mm OD Y axis drive rod <br />Replaced the Y axis motor with a known good Kysan<br />Replaced the 5mm bore pulley on the Y axis motor<br />Replaced all four LM8UU bearings and verified quiet and smooth operation<br />Replaced carriages with Boz&#039; tightened ones (I was planning to do this anyway)</p></li></ul><p>The only thing I haven&#039;t replaced are the Y axis linear rods.&nbsp; The Y axis rods are smooth and scratch free Misumi ones on each printer, with just a thin sheen of lubricant.</p><p>I&#039;m confident it&#039;s not an extruder artifact&nbsp; One of the SDs showing this issue is running a Mk6 with an E3D v6, and another is running an E3D Titan + V6 combo.&nbsp; There&#039;s enough difference between the two that, if extrusion was the issue, it would have shown differently on one and not the other just because the Titan is geared.</p><p>The only theory I have left is this:</p><p>The only non-printed parts that aren&#039;t common between the upgraded Solidoodles and my artifact-free i3 and MendelMax are the 6mm bore 2GT pulleys and 2GT loop belt.&nbsp; Yet I&#039;ve managed to discern no wobble in any of them, and you&#039;d think that if all three wobbled, the period wouldn&#039;t be so distinct, since they&#039;d have the same period but be off in terms of when it wobbles (they are not aligned).</p><p>So, I have to ask:&nbsp; What have I missed?&nbsp; I&#039;ve replaced the Y axis almost entirely, upgraded certain parts in the process to make sure it wasn&#039;t a QC issue with them (Motor, stepper driver, belts, controller), and I&#039;m pretty well at the end of my wits.</p><p>(Edited to include loop belt in non-common parts)</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2018-03-01T00:14:22Z</updated>
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