So, coming back here to update any random people reading but not joining in the conversation.  I know you are out there...

I've been using Amolen filament as they have some exceptional colors/textures that I really like.  At first I was just loading a small amount of filament into an empty spool/cartridge but that was a little bit of a hassle so I've modified one of my cartridges to allow for the Amolen ones.  Pretty much the standard Sindoh spool is 2 inches wide 7.5 inches in diameter with a 2 inch center hole and the cartridge is mage to hold this perfectly.  The overall diameter isn't an issue except that you can't really us anything larger, but the center hole is an issue as that's really how it is held in place (see others images posted above).  The Amolen materials that I've been ordering come on a 5.5in spool with 2.25 inch center hole but it is only about an inch wide.  The width is thereal issue as the cartridge is just too wide for the spool.  I played around with various pieces that could be added to the smaller spool with mixed and inconsistent results but finally have a perfect solution.  I've went with a small tube that is about 2.5 inched ling and I'm just popping it through the entire cartridge since that space is open.  I've printed about 100 hours of stuff since trying this and it is working flawlessly.  You can either use a piece of PVC pipe or print yourself one.

I'll also mention that if you have one of the older models you may have a cartridge that is not transparent, this cartridge is actually better as it has a different design and pretty much has the center piece that I'm adding built in.  This cartridge is from before they went with refillable ones and as such is harder to open, but otherwise works great.

Hi Allan

I signed up to the forums to respond to your post. I've been reading all over the web and there is surprisingly little information on this. Is there a way to override the "empty filament" warnings? (I have yet to complete a roll of filament, so I am not sure what error it will give, just trying to plan ahead.)

I was fortunate enough to win a DP200 in a design contest, which is awesome, but there is no distributor of their filament in South Africa (which is a bummer!). I would like to start using generic filament, probably rigid.ink since it is my usual "go-to", but they also can supply without a spool, which might work perfectly.

I imagine it is going to be a problem to load ABS into a cartridge with a PLA chip? Guess I may have to order at least one original cartridge with and ABS chip, which I can then refill afterwards?

this effort is to support Sindoh customers and try to make this great printer greater   It is still in trial mode.  Maybe one day we can put up on amazon if there is a bit volume. 

I can have olive green as refill in the next few months after we get this trial going fine.  I hope people like our effort and can help get a bit volume.  It doesn't make economical sense to respool just one roll.  We typically at least get 10 rolls each time for a color.

Awesome, I'll keep an eye out for the olive green. I will be sure to let my buddy know of your company. He also has a DP200. We aren't large scale by any means but hopefully it will help. If you ever need help testing something let me know!

this effort is to support Sindoh customers and try to make this great printer greater   It is still in trial mode.  Maybe one day we can put up on amazon if there is a bit volume. 

I can have olive green as refill in the next few months after we get this trial going fine.  I hope people like our effort and can help get a bit volume.  It doesn't make economical sense to respool just one roll.  We typically at least get 10 rolls each time for a color.

As far as burnt orange, it is not even available in our standard PLA+ (we have 25 colors).  There are just too many different shades of a color.

Yes Sindoh make printers as easy to use as those 2D ink/laser printers. 

In addition to existing Sindoh PLA refill colors, we are now offering below extra colors:
Cool White, Light Blue, Fire Engine Red, Orange, Silver, Peak Green and Natural

I have put them up on our website:
https://www.intservo.com/products/gener … and-orange

You won't see any printing difference between them and original refills. They don't come with chip.

Sorry I don't have wax filaments.  And we don't manufacture wax filaments yet.

Thanks for the info. I'll order some soon. Is the generic 3DWOX in your amazon store? I looked around and didn't see the a 3DWOX reference. I assume its what you have listed as eSUN 1.75mm Orange PLA PRO (PLA+) 3D Printer Filament 1KG Spool (2.2lbs)?

https://www.amazon.com/eSUN-1-75mm-Oran … mp;sr=1-15

Just curious on that. I'll order direct from you anyway. Would you consider making an olive drab or burnt orange type color?  ….and thank you for providing a generic option!

In addition to existing Sindoh PLA refill colors, we are now offering below extra colors:
Cool White, Light Blue, Fire Engine Red, Orange, Silver, Peak Green and Natural

I have put them up on our website:
https://www.intservo.com/products/gener … and-orange

You won't see any printing difference between them and original refills. They don't come with chip.

Sorry I don't have wax filaments.  And we don't manufacture wax filaments yet.

If this is welcomed by users, I may expand to wood and other exotic filaments as well.

I've had a DP200 for about 1 1/2 years now and love it. A total no BS machine. What troubles I've had were basic printing mistakes as I learned the craft. In a way I feel like I don't know a lot about the finer points of printing because I've never had to worry about them. It just works. I am glad to see the filament discussion. Refilling old spools is on my mind and after reading some of your comments I believe I'll try it. I would love to hear if anyone has tried printing with some of the wax filaments in the DP200. I would like to cast some things if possible. intservo, purhaps you could try it?

The major reason is that some of our popular colors are not available in these refills.  Such as cool white, fire engine red, orange and silver.  The standard cartridge uses our warm white as the "white".   

If this is welcomed by users, I may expand to wood and other exotic filaments as well.

I've been using Amolen filament as they have some exceptional colors/textures that I really like.  At first I was just loading a small amount of filament into an empty spool/cartridge but that was a little bit of a hassle so I've modified one of my cartridges to allow for the Amolen ones.  Pretty much the standard Sindoh spool is 2 inches wide 7.5 inches in diameter with a 2 inch center hole and the cartridge is mage to hold this perfectly.  The overall diameter isn't an issue except that you can't really us anything larger, but the center hole is an issue as that's really how it is held in place (see others images posted above).  The Amolen materials that I've been ordering come on a 5.5in spool with 2.25 inch center hole but it is only about an inch wide.  The width is thereal issue as the cartridge is just too wide for the spool.  I played around with various pieces that could be added to the smaller spool with mixed and inconsistent results but finally have a perfect solution.  I've went with a small tube that is about 2.5 inched ling and I'm just popping it through the entire cartridge since that space is open.  I've printed about 100 hours of stuff since trying this and it is working flawlessly.  You can either use a piece of PVC pipe or print yourself one.

I'll also mention that if you have one of the older models you may have a cartridge that is not transparent, this cartridge is actually better as it has a different design and pretty much has the center piece that I'm adding built in.  This cartridge is from before they went with refillable ones and as such is harder to open, but otherwise works great.

Since I've decided to use 3rd party filament anyway I'm here looking for anyone else who is going down that path and to share ideas.  So far I've simply rolled the amount of filament I want onto an empty Sindoh spool.  This is working for me but really isn't scalable and leads to significant waste.  For example I am making something that needs 4.25meters of filament and I'm putting aout 6 on the spool.  1/3rd waste is not optimal.  Especially considering I'm actually looking at more expensive filament because i want special colors/materials, as opposed to just looking to use cheaper black filament.

On the warranty.  My experience was superb and it should have given you a warm and fuzzy feeling.  Honestly everyone I know with one of these printers loves it and loves the company.  Not like an Apple level of insanity, but close.  In my case it was a ribbon cable that was not a socket connection and for some reason it would not pass power - probably not a common problem and something a 'hobbyist' might have fixed themselves but I had no interest in doing so.  They indicated they will stand behind it if it breaks again and based on my experience with them I believe them.

That being said, I knew that proprietary filament could be expensive and I decided that I coudl live with that.

According to the previous poster you can now use ANY filament.

That statement does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling. It is good to hear there customer service actualy works. but my concern is what if the error message showed up a week later . would you have been able to fix the issue. or would you had to pay for factory service. And likely shipping both directions.
I am very glad to here this printer works well for you.

I bought one of these about 12 months ago based on a recommendation from a friend.  I was not interested in 3D printing as a hobby - that is to say I'm not looking to build a printer and play with the thing all the time.  I don't do this with my other printers and I don't want to do it with this one.  Its a tool to get a job done and that is what I wanted.

That being said, I knew that proprietary filament could be expensive and I decided that I coudl live with that.

This thing is fantastic - I print all kinds of stuff on it and seldom have to print twice.  I do calibrate/level it about once a month but that is really only a matter of telling it to level and then turning X number of click on any of the 4 corners.

So, I mentioned that I got it 12 months ago.  Well 3 days before the warrenty ran out the bed stopped heating.  The error message made it unusable.  I reachout out to Sindoh who put me in touch with their US repair partner.  They covered Fed-Ex shipping both ways and repaired the unit with no hassle.  It did take about 2 weeks (half of which was shipping time).  I was very happy with the warrenty work - especially with me opening the ticket 3 days before the 1-year mark and technically shipping it after the 1-year mark.  They said since my ticket was opened inside the time window I was fine and they lived up to it.

I foudn this forum because I have finally run into a challenge with the filament.  It isn't the cost but the options.  I'm making some medals and I want to print in gold and yellow is the closest thing.  This is for something I will be doing monthly so I really want to solve for it.  I've printed some in yellow and sprayed gold sparkly paint on it and that works ok (it also looks great on black), but I want to go with gold and Amolen has a filament that is considered perfect for my application.  I decided to order some and I put it inside an empty blue cassette with a chip.  I'm printing with it right now and the only thing that happens is the printer tells me at first that I may be low on filament (because that chip knows I used up the spool), but it gives me the option to continue and I am continuing.  I am pretty sure I can continue forever as I did a refill once before and the chip seemed defective so I just left the old chip in place and always told it I was ok risking running out of filament.  So, my question for the forum - and any other Sindh users out there is what has been your experience with 3rd party filament in the standard cassette?  And when teh spools are of different size how are you dealing with that.  For my current print job that is only 4.25 meters I simply manually put 5 meters into the empty spool.  I don't think I want to do that long term and rerolling a spool of filament seems like it could lead to snags.

It is my understanding ultimaker is doing the same thing on newer machine,
They offer chipped filament but do not force one to use it,

Sindoh listened to customer's comments and now offers the new printers with open filament support.   The 3DWOX 2X will soon get firmware upgraded to support open filaments too.

As discussed recently, there are good sides on both proprietary cartridge and open filaments.  Customers can choose whichever way accordingly.

Proprietary cartridges are thoroughly tested and made sure a smooth operation.  The proprietary chip also allows full auto loading and measurements.  It is really a plug & play machine and requires much less tuning and maintenance compared to other mainstream printers.  The added chip and special spool made it more costly than popular open filaments.  (By the way the cartridge is not refillable because the chip is per color and also the chip is one time use only.  If it was refillable we would have offered the printers long time ago.  We kept pushing Sindoh to make it open.)

Open filament opens a whole new world for this great printer, with the sacrifice of full auto loading and filament measurement.  But you can now use all the 24 colors of compatible filaments instead of the 6 colors for cartridge.  You can even start to use PETG, ASA and some other filaments too.

Here are some guaranteed compatible filaments and were fully tested both by Sindoh and us:
All 1KG eSUN ABS+ filaments to replace the ABS cartridge
All 1KG eSUN PLA+ filaments to replace the PLA cartridge

PETG and ASA were tested but are under more testing so that we can give better support to customers.

A blog we wrote has some more details of how the open filament works:
https://www.xyzfabs.com/blog/exclusive- … -standout/

The 3DWOX 1 also has HEPA filter, 40 db noise, remote monitoring, flexible metal heated bed etc..  I can provide more info if needed.