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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Z wobble pictures]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>elmoret wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Fixed for him:</p></blockquote></div><br /><p>Thanks, I just didn&#039;t want to over run a topic with my crappy pictures.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2013-03-19T19:24:49Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Z wobble pictures]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Fixed for him:</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/894080_10200781896406679_1250378556_o.jpg" alt="http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/894080_10200781896406679_1250378556_o.jpg" /></span></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-03-19T19:22:33Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Z wobble pictures]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Your picture link doesn&#039;t work</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[cmetzel]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-03-19T19:19:30Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Z wobble pictures]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jefferysanders wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The mask does look really good,&nbsp; my current guess is that the spacers are for getting the screw to the correct height; if they end up with a undercut rod. It should also add a little more space also, so you can easily add glass for better adhesion. (same thing can be done by changing to Lawsy&#039;s modified z or adding a long screw or using the plastic from a BP pen reservoir [my original hack] )...guess we won&#039;t know the actual point of those spacers really is until SD supp says something about.&nbsp; If we spring loaded the z-motor with 4 small, but thick springs I wonder if we could dissipate some of the wobble that way? Kinda doubtful, but I may try just for the heck of it.</p></blockquote></div><br /><p>Thanks, and there seems to be enough clearance <a href="http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/894080_10200781896406679_1250378556_o.jpg">Heres a pic of my machine</a> But again, I could be wrong, and maybe I got lucky in-terms of that batch of Z-rods for the day.</p><br /><p>Edit: Fixed the link</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2013-03-19T18:14:59Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Z wobble pictures]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The mask does look really good,&nbsp; my current guess is that the spacers are for getting the screw to the correct height; if they end up with a undercut rod. It should also add a little more space also, so you can easily add glass for better adhesion. (same thing can be done by changing to Lawsy&#039;s modified z or adding a long screw or using the plastic from a BP pen reservoir [my original hack] )...guess we won&#039;t know the actual point of those spacers really is until SD supp says something about.&nbsp; If we spring loaded the z-motor with 4 small, but thick springs I wonder if we could dissipate some of the wobble that way? Kinda doubtful, but I may try just for the heck of it.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jefferysanders]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-03-19T18:08:09Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Z wobble pictures]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>More work, longer process, possibility of more banding. Meh, starting to question it, but I&#039;ll give it a shot.</p><p>As per the Wobble, I&#039;ve shown my stuff to people who think it&#039;s just as amazing as I do, and some of them even want to buy some stuff <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> so I&#039;m perfectly content.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2013-03-19T17:51:39Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Z wobble pictures]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I can see minor wobble on the mask shot you made, but as cmetzel says, that&#039;s just nitpicking.&nbsp; A little sanding would bring that down in no time.</p><p>If you&#039;re a perfectionist, you could try some of the backlash stuff in the firmware, but what I see looks pretty good, and I&#039;m sure if you showed them to someone who doesn&#039;t know 3d printing, they&#039;d call it &quot;amazing!&quot;&nbsp; At least that&#039;s the response that I always get.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[cckens]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-03-19T17:36:00Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Z wobble pictures]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Just a warning, .1 will exaggerate existing banding, so it&#039;ll likely look worse to the eye.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[cmetzel]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-03-19T17:35:11Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>cmetzel wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I think yours looks pretty damn good.&nbsp; If you&#039;re nitpicking the z wobble you can likely always find something, but white is easy to see wobble on and it&#039;s only noticeable on blowups.&nbsp; It&#039;s all down to how you like them, and if you&#039;re happy with it just print away and enjoy yourself, that&#039;s what I&#039;m doing.&nbsp; I may not have the best around but I know that I&#039;m thrilled with what I have.</p></blockquote></div><p>Sounds good to me! I was kind of worried, but it looks good to me. I mean come on, it&#039;s printed in 3D, I still can&#039;t get over how cool that is. If this is .3mm, I can&#039;t wait to print at .1</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2013-03-19T17:22:31Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Z wobble pictures]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I think yours looks pretty damn good.&nbsp; If you&#039;re nitpicking the z wobble you can likely always find something, but white is easy to see wobble on and it&#039;s only noticeable on blowups.&nbsp; It&#039;s all down to how you like them, and if you&#039;re happy with it just print away and enjoy yourself, that&#039;s what I&#039;m doing.&nbsp; I may not have the best around but I know that I&#039;m thrilled with what I have.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2013-03-19T17:17:36Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Z wobble pictures]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I do apologize if anyone was looking towards the spacers as a &quot;cure&quot; I just saw that they weren&#039;t there in almost all other pictures and I thought it was interesting, whether it does anything or not is up for debate. As Far as I&#039;m concerned something is different, I don&#039;t (Think) have any noticeable Z wobble.</p><p><a href="https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/295668_10200783753293100_2061278285_n.jpg">inside of the small mask</a></p><p><a href="https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/26317_10200783753613108_795651943_n.jpg">Outside of the mask, after calibration, it appears that the &quot;banding&quot; I had on the cube isn&#039;t present, but I could be wrong</a></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2013-03-19T17:02:30Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Z wobble pictures]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jefferysanders wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The banding continues all the way up and down that print (you can see the pattern), I was just illustrating the frequency with those lines I drew (not so much just specifying that area)...but that what we are calling banding..at least...the rest of your photos have insubstantial lighting, so I can&#039;t see them to draw lines on it haha...cool large prints though!!!</p></blockquote></div><p>Ahh, I guess I understood Banding as something differently, Such as here, when the entire Print is wavy such as in James&#039; photo <a href="http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&amp;item=1333&amp;preview">http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?actio … mp;preview</a> , Which doesn&#039;t look anything like any of my prints, but again, I could be wrong. I&#039;ll take some pictures later for y&#039;all to take a look at if y&#039;all want.</p><p>Maybe this view of that small cube might be better to analyze...</p><p><a href="http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/885502_10200756026719953_1991386415_o.jpg">Giant Photo Here</a></p><p>There does appear to be very slight banding, as you suggested. For reference it&#039;s about a 37mm cube. This was also Prior to my extrusion calibration (It was spitting out 130mm for every 10mm requested)</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2013-03-19T15:51:40Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Z wobble pictures]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The banding continues all the way up and down that print (you can see the pattern), I was just illustrating the frequency with those lines I drew (not so much just specifying that area)...but that what we are calling banding..at least...the rest of your photos have insubstantial lighting, so I can&#039;t see them to draw lines on it haha...cool large prints though!!!</p><p>external_perimeter_speed = 30<br />infill_speed = 70<br />slowdown_below_layer_time = 30<br />small_perimeter_speed = 30<br />solid_infill_below_area = 70<br />solid_infill_speed = 60<br />top_solid_infill_speed = 40<br />travel_speed = 70</p><p>I&#039;ll try just printing her head alone (might be able to get a better idea of how slow it would need to be), although I don&#039;t see how 30 is not slow enough...even when I print small detailed parts (idler arm) 30 seems slow enough to deliver quality...heck I run my externals at 60-80 most of the time.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jefferysanders]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-03-19T15:32:12Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Z wobble pictures]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jefferysanders wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I see banding on your other prints...namely the companion cube (nothing severe or that will cause delamination, but it really it&#039;s any better than anything else I have seen...100 typical results. which is better than suffering like some).&nbsp; The other pictures it&#039;s much harder to see and I can&#039;t tell because the light has to hit those bands at the right angle to make them really show up...I&#039;m not sure if those spacers are they because of that or a boo-boo in cutting your rod...I really don&#039;t see how spacer&#039;s would help the wobble.&nbsp; I have been applying a small amount of thermal paste to the bottom of that motor anyway (since it can get warm when using lift/retract a lot...having spacers would mean I can&#039;t do that anymore either.&nbsp; &nbsp;I put marks on your CC picture (my marks suck as I used paint lol, but they give a general idea to the frequency of banding) so you can get a idea what we are talking about when we say banding...<a href="http://postimage.org/image/7iq1nlzrn/"><span class="postimg"><img src="http://s13.postimage.org/7iq1nlzrn/with_marks.jpg" alt="http://s13.postimage.org/7iq1nlzrn/with_marks.jpg" /></span></a></p></blockquote></div><br /><p>It isn&#039;t necessarily banding right there, it&#039;s just the slice or model, because no matter what scale I use (That&#039;s 1.5x) I have another cube in 2x with the same mess up in the exact same area.</p><p>And my Z rod moves maybe 1-2 mm side to side when the platform is almost bottomed out, but I haven&#039;t seen any true &quot;Banding&quot; that y&#039;all have been referring to, even on my mask yesterday I has slight d lamination, but noting even close to the banding I&#039;ve seen here.</p><p>Here&#039;s the tallest thing I&#039;ve printed so far, but as for any banding, there is nothing noticeable, I does appear that I have some belts that might need tensioning, but nothing bad.</p><p><a href="http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/544471_10200782193654110_1380356261_n.jpg">Mask Photo here, trying to keep my post small-ish</a></p><p>Windows Decided to Update, canceled my print at 331/400 lines... so now it&#039;s a glasses holder.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2013-03-19T15:11:10Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>mmm not really fast..&nbsp; this is from my profil</p><p>external_perimeter_speed = 30<br />infill_speed = 70<br />slowdown_below_layer_time = 30<br />small_perimeter_speed = 30<br />solid_infill_below_area = 70<br />solid_infill_speed = 60<br />top_solid_infill_speed = 40<br />travel_speed = 70</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2013-03-19T14:57:06Z</updated>
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