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	<updated>2016-07-14T07:22:06Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Hotend Fan Switch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I wired my cooling fans the same way you did, but I didn&#039;t want to mount them on the carriage. Instead I have four 60mm fans mounted two in each hole in the sides of the printer with a variation on <a href="http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1339148">http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1339148</a> . It also turned out that 600mA isn&#039;t enough for all four fans, so I&#039;m actually using that current to switch two PNP transistors on a pair of small PCBs that live next to the fans. I&#039;ll grab some pictures at some point, but the whole setup does work and it&#039;s definitely improved my prints, although I&#039;m not sure how well it compares to a carriage-mounted cooling fan.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[wiley]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/14431/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-07-14T07:22:06Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Hotend Fan Switch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>For second fan support on Davinci 1.0A please refer to my great working mod: <a href="https://github.com/luc-github/Repetier-Firmware-0.92/issues/152">https://github.com/luc-github/Repetier- … issues/152</a></p><p>I also designed a fan duct for it: <a href="http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1634657">http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1634657</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Hecot]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/13821/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-07-11T09:38:19Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/124955/#p124955</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Hotend Fan Switch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Ahh... I see them now.&nbsp; I was looking in the spot where the Fan2 would be... didn&#039;t think to look over there!</p><p>I would be inclined to solder small jumper wires to the board that then lead to the through-hole components.&nbsp; That helps relieve the strain on the traces.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Telemachus]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/13355/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-06-29T04:12:22Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/124621/#p124621</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Hotend Fan Switch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Nah, as you can see in the picture, I went with through-hole. I rediscovered the pitfalls of through-hole components on surface mount pads when I accidentally ripped off the top pad of that current limiting resistor while trying to trace it to a pin on the microcontroller, but I managed to scratch away the board surface above that trace leading to it and solder to that. The result is quite fragile, but the board lives on a nice mount inside a box. Shouldn&#039;t really be an issue.</p><p>It seems a lot of the confusion around this mod is that the DaVinci main board is actually capable of switching four fans. There&#039;s the one used from the factory, the one I filled in, and another two on that Fan2 header to the left that I assume is used on the Duo. It&#039;s more obvious when seen from directly above, but a picture from above doesn&#039;t really show the components I added.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[wiley]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/14431/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-06-28T07:48:19Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/124590/#p124590</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Hotend Fan Switch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the feedback on the eeprom timer.&nbsp; I think it is time to repurpose my extruder fan and conserve my 53 day counter.</p><p>Did you end up using SMD components?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Telemachus]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/13355/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-06-28T07:27:09Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/124589/#p124589</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Hotend Fan Switch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The short answer is yes, it works.</p><p>The long answer is at <a href="https://github.com/luc-github/Repetier-Firmware-0.92/issues/165">https://github.com/luc-github/Repetier- … issues/165</a> - there are some firmware modifications involved. It&#039;s also worth checking your board to see if you already have the resistor and transistor that I had to add - apparently there was a previous bug where someone already had them from the factory on a 1.0A.</p><p>And yes, reflashing the firmware preserved my printing timer. I exported the EEPROM to XML via Repetier-Host, though, and you can also just restore it afterwards.</p><p>I&#039;m still waiting on an order of fans, so I&#039;ll have to wait to see how the whole setup functions.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[wiley]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/14431/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-06-27T07:27:47Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/124561/#p124561</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Hotend Fan Switch]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://www.soliforum.com/post/124542/#p124542" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?ggQ5v1r.jpg" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?ggQ5v1r.jpg" /></span></p><p>Now to see if it works.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[wiley]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/14431/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2016-06-26T01:32:45Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/124542/#p124542</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Hotend Fan Switch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>So as it turns out, according to NXP (formerly Philips) Semiconductors...<br />- W1% corresponds to the BFT92 PNP transistor<br />- *1P corresponds to the PMBT2222A NPN transistor</p><p>And it apparently didn&#039;t occur to them that this breaks the component search engine on their website.</p><p>By the datasheets, this has to be a PMBT2222A. Even if I had completely misunderstood the circuit and a PNP was correct, the BFT92 has a tenth of the necessary current.</p><p>The good news is that a PMBT2222A has a max rated current of 600mA, which is just fine for running the E3D v6 fan. It&#039;s also enough for the set of four 60mm fans I plan to put on the sides of the case and try to use for layer cooling without mounting a fan on the carriage. The only question at this point is whether I stick to SMD or try to put through-hole components on the SMD pads. Not sure about that yet.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[wiley]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/14431/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-06-24T18:23:34Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Hotend Fan Switch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Yes, from what I read they are soldering jumper wires to through hole components.&nbsp; The stepper drivers are all soldered to the board on late 1.0 and 1.0A.&nbsp; We don&#039;t really have a valid option to replace them.</p><p>Here is a thread on github that offers limited info about the mod itself, and good info about changing the FW to support it:</p><p><a href="https://github.com/luc-github/Repetier-Firmware-0.92/issues/64">https://github.com/luc-github/Repetier- … /issues/64</a></p><p>As you work this out, please document it well.&nbsp; I&#039;ve seen very little useful info on doing this.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Telemachus]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/13355/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-06-24T13:48:48Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/124499/#p124499</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Hotend Fan Switch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I pulled the board out this evening and had a look, and I do see the 1k resistor, capacitor, and transistor. On my board, though, the resistor and transistor are SMD components. Were they always SMD and people have just been soldering through-hole components onto the board because it&#039;s easier, or did XYZ change this across board revisions? My board also has the drivers built into the board, which seems to have been a recent change.</p><p>I&#039;m also a bit confused about the transistor. If I trace the wire for the working extruder fan, it leads to a SOT23 package labeled &quot;W1P 52&quot; which seems to correspond to a BFT92 PNP transistor, but a PNP transistor doesn&#039;t make any sense at that place in the circuit. I keep looking for a way I&#039;m reading the label wrong or somesuch, but I can&#039;t seem to figure out where I&#039;m getting it wrong.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[wiley]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/14431/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2016-06-24T07:45:14Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/124495/#p124495</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Hotend Fan Switch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The spots are pretty clearly labeled on the motherboard for the components to the second extruder.&nbsp; Using through-hole components shouldn&#039;t present that great of a challenge.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Telemachus]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/13355/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-06-24T06:57:06Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/124493/#p124493</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Hotend Fan Switch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Aye. My evil plan also includes getting the second fan output working so I can control a layer fan too. I need to pull the main board out to get a proper look, but I think XYZ may have switched to SMD components.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[wiley]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/14431/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2016-06-24T06:12:05Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/124492/#p124492</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Hotend Fan Switch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>So what you are saying is supply 12V+ to your e3d directly from your power supply, but connect the ground to the (switched) ground wire on the daughter board that the original fan connects to?</p><p>We know that the current limiting resistor going to the base of the NPN transistor from the micro controller is rated with enough ohms to open the &quot;gate&quot; of the transistor enough so sink the 5V that the original fan runs off of,&nbsp; but potentially not enough to sink 12 V.&nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>That having been said, ground is ground, and the only thing you would risk is the E3D fan not running as fast as it usually would.</p><br /><p>I like your idea, but I think I would rather use it to control a 12V layer fan, and just keep the E3D fan on permanently.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Telemachus]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/13355/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2016-06-24T05:43:58Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/124488/#p124488</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Hotend Fan Switch]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://www.soliforum.com/post/124459/#p124459" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I was researching the hotend fan and what it would take to switch the 12v E3D v6 fan like the factory fan was switched today, and I had an interesting discovery. Over on Voltivo, someone traced the wiring on the daughterboard for the two fans and found that they actually share an always-on 5v rail. The &quot;switch&quot; is actually a GPIO-switched NPN transistor that opens and closes the ground connection for each fan.</p><p>This means that if the ground is the same across the 12v and 5v rails and the current through the 12v fan isn&#039;t too much for the NPN transistor, you can just wire your fan from the 12v supply line everyone is tapping to the same switched ground the original fan used. A quick check with a voltmeter showed that the ground lined up and fan currents are pretty low anyway, so I went ahead and tried it. It worked. I wouldn&#039;t recommend this as anything permanent until I get a chance to check the parts on the mainboard to make sure the currents are okay in the long run, but it&#039;s promising.</p><p>Has anyone else poked at this before? Has anyone here tracked down where this NPN transistor lives on the mainboard (and more importantly, where the second NPN transistor that&#039;s only populated on the Duos lives?)</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[wiley]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/14431/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2016-06-23T06:20:48Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/124459/#p124459</id>
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