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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Stepper Driver Discussion]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff, folks!</p><p>To outline further:</p><p>Example - A stock Solidoodle comes with a 1/16 Stepper Driver and a relatively standard drive gear for the extruder.&nbsp; <br />The driving pitch diameter of a Hobb Goblin is just a tad over 1/2 the diameter of the standard drive gear, so switching to a HG and doing nothing else effectively gives you the equivalent to a 1/32 step situation.<br />Adding a 0.9 motor (from the standard 1.8) to the equation now halves that again, so now you are at the equivalent of 1/64th stepping...all while keeping your 1/16 driver.</p><p>Also, the HG&#039;s smaller diameter also requires a less torquey motor, meaning a half-stack will do fine while reducing the carriage mass substantially; allowing for faster printing.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[IronMan]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-05-19T12:57:11Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Stepper Driver Discussion]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for adding more info, Azerate! <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> I still have a lot to learn about the technical aspects, but I have figured out what works/doesn&#039;t work for me... </p><p>I am no speed printer, either.. yes, i did bump it up a little from stock, but not by much - i am more interested in the quality of the print, not how fast I can churn it out.&nbsp; </p><p>keeping the electronics cool is a definite must... most steppers will come with a heat-sink, but a good fan blowing air over them is essential to keeping things happy and working well.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[heartless]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/10399/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-05-19T12:05:47Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Stepper Driver Discussion]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>heartless wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>After upgrading to E3D v6 hotends, i was having a hard time eliminating moire with the 4988 steppers, i could reduce it, but not eliminate it. the 8825 allowed me to tune it completely away.</p></blockquote></div><p>Heartless has it, as always! When using an all metal hotend, moire is far more prevalent, which requires a higher steps/mm to really obliterate it.<br />The higher the steps/mm, the higher the resolution. That&#039;s why (for many reasons) some users upgrade to the E3D Hobb Goblin, .9 motors, Bulldog XL, DRV8825, and E3D Titan. I&#039;ve done all of the above, and every mod has a pro and con. The important thing it to know what the cons are and how to combat them.<br />The 8825 will require a heatsink on the driver chip, active cooling, or a combination of both. Once you get into pushing maximum printing speeds, 1/16 is the way to go, or so I am told.</p><p>I run med-high speeds, so pushing drivers is not something I am an expert at. But retraction shouldn&#039;t be effected by the driver, but by settings, and firmware primarily, but the material type and heat/cooling will play a factor.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[AZERATE]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/4188/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-05-19T03:47:53Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Stepper Driver Discussion]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>other than the steps/mm (basically doubled from 1/16th) i haven&#039;t had to make any other changes. I think the motor actually runs a little cooler, but that could simply be a placebo effect... <br />Speed remained the same, retraction works fine - but that is one of those fine tuning things &amp; every material is little different. </p><p>After upgrading to E3D v6 hotends, i was having a hard time eliminating moire with the 4988 steppers, i could reduce it, but not eliminate it. the 8825 allowed me to tune it completely away.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[heartless]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/10399/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-05-19T02:21:20Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Stepper Driver Discussion]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>heartless wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>i am a &quot;mixer&quot; - run 4988s on X, Y, &amp; Z at the standard 1/16th microstepping, and an 8825 set to 1/32nd microstepping on E for the resolution - pretty much eliminates any moire caused by motor pulsing.</p></blockquote></div><p>That&#039;s a good idea. What changes did you make to run the extruder at 1/32 other than steps/mm. Did you have to slow it down? Does it generate more heat? Does it handle retraction better or worse?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[ebarton97]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/11422/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-05-18T14:04:09Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Stepper Driver Discussion]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>i am a &quot;mixer&quot; - run 4988s on X, Y, &amp; Z at the standard 1/16th microstepping, and an 8825 set to 1/32nd microstepping on E for the resolution - pretty much eliminates any moire caused by motor pulsing.<br />The main axis&#039; don&#039;t really need 1/32nd microstepping... </p><p>at this point i know nothing about the 8880 - time to do a bit of research?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[heartless]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/10399/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-05-18T13:56:35Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Stepper Driver Discussion]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hey printer geeks!</p><p>Like most of you I&#039;m sure, i spend more time playing with my 3d printer itself than I do printing useful things. I have been printing for about a year and I love being in this age of new technology. I always feel behind with how quick new parts are developed for 3d printing. While browsing for more parts, i came across a new stepper driver board( at least new to me).</p><p>So let&#039;s have a discussion on driver boards and your experiences with them. I&#039;d like to start the thread talking about 3 of them. Feel free to mention others you&#039;ve had experience with. I&#039;d also like to point out I&#039;m not much of an electrical engineer so big words take me a while to research. I get along enough to print what I need .</p><p>Let&#039;s discuss the A4988, DRV8825, and the seemingly new DRV8880.</p><p>A4988:<br />This is what my printer originally came equipped with. I had no problems with it and it ran well. This is until I started longer prints. Once I hit prints of 4 hours or so the boards would over heat and go into thermal shutdown. I didn&#039;t know about setting the Vref so that may not of helped. But I also didn&#039;t have cooling fans to dissipate heat. For this reason, i got a set of 5 DRV8825&#039;s.</p><p>DRV8825:<br />I love these. I have yet to set them to 1/32 microstepping because I&#039;m not sure I have the need for that resolution. But I love them. Once the Vref was set properly they run the motors quietly and don&#039;t generate too much heat. They&#039;ve never gone into thermal shutdown and havent given me any other problems. I see no reason not to upgrade to these.</p><p>DRV8880:<br />I just read about these on the internet today. They seem really interesting. To be completely honest, though, I&#039;m not entirely sure what they do. I saw the term &quot;auto-magicStuff&quot; and figured they must be pretty fancy. Does anyone have any experience with these? I think they&#039;re new to the market. If nobody here has tried them on their printer, what would be the advantages/disadvantages to using them?</p><p>Lastly I&#039;d like to talk about mixing stepper drivers. I ran either all A4988 or all DRV8825. I&#039;ve seen some people use certain drivers for certain motors. Why? Why not?</p><p>I&#039;d love to hear your opinions and experiences here. Happy printing!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[ebarton97]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/11422/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-05-18T13:49:27Z</updated>
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