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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Corner curling/lifting (Da Vinci Jr)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I measure 10mm</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Bozotclown1970]]></name>
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			<updated>2018-01-08T17:58:03Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Corner curling/lifting (Da Vinci Jr)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Can somebody help me out and tell me the diameter of the Jr&#039;s Y axis rods, please?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[gravy]]></name>
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			<updated>2018-01-08T15:55:02Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Corner curling/lifting (Da Vinci Jr)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jwalker55 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I was using standard blue painters tape (in rolls) with stick glue on top.&nbsp; I notice this tape didn&#039;t stick nearly as well to the bed as the square/precut pieces that came with the printer.&nbsp; I actually bought a sheet of BuiltTak after posting the original message.&nbsp; It works better than anything I&#039;ve tried, but still get *slight* corner lifting, and the print becomes so hard to get off that I inevitably scratch up the build surface.&nbsp; I guess maybe a hair dryer or something would help get it off?&nbsp; I resorted to just building ears into my model to hold the corners down.&nbsp; </p><p>My printer is only a month old, so I don&#039;t think it should need greased already (or maybe it just wasn&#039;t adequately greased from the factory)?&nbsp; My first prints were with the clear/nature PLA that came with the Jr, which make it a bit harder to see the banding, but I think the banding was present on those prints as well.&nbsp; I will have to look again.&nbsp; Attached is a pic of another print that shows the banding.&nbsp; Is it the Z-Axis causing the layers to &quot;squish&quot; which creates the banding?&nbsp; Attached is a pic of another object (printed upside down from the way it is pictured).</p></blockquote></div><p>I used the <strong>blue</strong> standard painter tape (3M) and indeed it did not stick very firmly on the bed. <br />I try ordinary painter tape (the yellow one) and they stick better on the bed but you have to sand a little bit the surface as it is glossy and the PLA is not attaching. After the sanding, the pla is sticking so well that it is sometimes a real pain to detach the object. You should have a try with ordinary painter tape with little sanding on the surface.<br />As I only print small object, I prefer the Blue tape after all !</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[janj_fr]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/13463/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-02-02T14:28:00Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Corner curling/lifting (Da Vinci Jr)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I noticed the spiral extruded star sample that came with the printer printed pretty much flawlessly (aside from a few &quot;nubs&quot; sticking out) at 0.3mm layer height (&quot;good&quot; preset in XYZware).&nbsp; I&#039;m wondering if my STL&#039;s exported from Autodesk Inventor might be contributing to the banding problem?&nbsp; I&#039;ve been exporting using the default settings from Inventor.&nbsp; XYZ support recommended running the STL&#039;s through netfabb so I guess i&#039;ll try that.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jwalker55]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/12852/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-01-21T20:21:02Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Corner curling/lifting (Da Vinci Jr)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>reluttr wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Some banding is normal. Buuut... you might need to put some oil on your Z leadscrew. I use Tri-flow oil with PTFE, it works rather well.</p><p>You might also need to regrease your linear rails... I use superlube grease with PTFE for the X and Z rods, and since the y axis is kinda hard to get to, I just use the Tri-flow with the extension tube to apply some grease on those.</p><br /><p>As far as your corners lifting... It is indeed a adheasion problem. Are you using the stock painter tape squares? Because if you are... or are using painters tape in general... you can also put a additional layer of stick glue &quot;like the stuff that goes on purple and dries clear&quot; on top of that and the adhesion will work almost to well. XD</p><p>Another option... you can get something called BuildTak, just make sure you get the z-offset right before printing.</p></blockquote></div><p>I was using standard blue painters tape (in rolls) with stick glue on top.&nbsp; I notice this tape didn&#039;t stick nearly as well to the bed as the square/precut pieces that came with the printer.&nbsp; I actually bought a sheet of BuiltTak after posting the original message.&nbsp; It works better than anything I&#039;ve tried, but still get *slight* corner lifting, and the print becomes so hard to get off that I inevitably scratch up the build surface.&nbsp; I guess maybe a hair dryer or something would help get it off?&nbsp; I resorted to just building ears into my model to hold the corners down.&nbsp; </p><p>My printer is only a month old, so I don&#039;t think it should need greased already (or maybe it just wasn&#039;t adequately greased from the factory)?&nbsp; My first prints were with the clear/nature PLA that came with the Jr, which make it a bit harder to see the banding, but I think the banding was present on those prints as well.&nbsp; I will have to look again.&nbsp; Attached is a pic of another print that shows the banding.&nbsp; Is it the Z-Axis causing the layers to &quot;squish&quot; which creates the banding?&nbsp; Attached is a pic of another object (printed upside down from the way it is pictured).</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jwalker55]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/12852/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-01-19T15:40:53Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Corner curling/lifting (Da Vinci Jr)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Some banding is normal. Buuut... you might need to put some oil on your Z leadscrew. I use Tri-flow oil with PTFE, it works rather well.</p><p>You might also need to regrease your linear rails... I use superlube grease with PTFE for the X and Z rods, and since the y axis is kinda hard to get to, I just use the Tri-flow with the extension tube to apply some grease on those.</p><br /><p>As far as your corners lifting... It is indeed a adheasion problem. Are you using the stock painter tape squares? Because if you are... or are using painters tape in general... you can also put a additional layer of stick glue &quot;like the stuff that goes on purple and dries clear&quot; on top of that and the adhesion will work almost to well. XD</p><p>Another option... you can get something called BuildTak, just make sure you get the z-offset right before printing.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[reluttr]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/13303/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-01-19T07:35:10Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Corner curling/lifting (Da Vinci Jr)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I ended up having to build &quot;ears&quot; into the model on each corner.&nbsp; Thankfully only about 5 minutes of work in Inventor, but still annoying having to peel them off and smooth out the print afterwards.</p><p>Also, for anyone who has viewed the pic in the OP, is that amount of banding normal for the Da Vinci Jr?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jwalker55]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-01-18T22:09:22Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m having similar problems with my prints.&nbsp; With the exception of the corners lifting, everything else seems to be working pretty well.&nbsp; I&#039;ve been trying to search for a solution for about a week.&nbsp; I see lots of results regarding the various approaches (painters tape, hairspray, glue, other types of tape, etc) to keeping the print on the surface.&nbsp; But, not a whole lot of those results really applies to this problem.</p><p>As you mentioned about the tape being pulled from the bed, the underlying cause isn&#039;t getting things to initially &quot;stick&quot;.&nbsp; From one post I read, the real issue is the expansion/shrinking of the PLA during the printing process.&nbsp; As the PLA cools, it wants to contract/shrink.&nbsp; This ends up pulling on the rest of the print.&nbsp; Corners are particularly problematic under these conditions.&nbsp; But, I&#039;ve also had problems when printing circles/discs, too.</p><p>The post mentioned &quot;fixes&quot; like using a heated bed (not present on the Jr), modifying the model/G-code so (and I&#039;m not entirely sure how this would work) layers at the edge of the print could be skipped and trying to print solid parts with the least amount of material.&nbsp; Since I&#039;m not sure about how to do the layer skipping suggestion and I&#039;d like the most freedom to print &quot;thick&quot; things, I was thinking my next search would be for a stand-alone bed heater either specifically designed for 3D printing or something that could be re-purposed for the task.</p><p>I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s much help.&nbsp; I&#039;m interested to hear if anyone else has found some good solutions to this problem, too.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[81TTA]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/13279/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-01-14T02:18:10Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>So it seems this is really my only problem at the moment.&nbsp; My prints seem to come out ok, but i&#039;m fighting lifting of the corners on a part with a flat rectangular shaped bottom.&nbsp; Up until yesterday I was using blue painters tape with a glue stick as my bed surface.&nbsp; This seemed to create really good adhesion of the PLA to the tape, but the corners would end up lifting up and pulling the tape off the bed.&nbsp; I ordered a single sheet of BuildTak, re-calibrated my Z-Offset, and printed one last night.&nbsp; The part printed fine, but again, the corners lifted up slightly, although not quite as bad.&nbsp; In the attached pic, you can see the corner on the left stayed down, but the one on the right curled up.</p><p>Has anyone found a method to prevent this with the Jr without printing brims or rafts?&nbsp; The part i&#039;m trying to print now is too big to print a brim using Xyzware, so I will likely have to build ears or something into the model to try to hold the corners down.&nbsp; Should I just accept this as normal and use brims/rafts/custom modeling as the solution?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jwalker55]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-01-13T15:17:27Z</updated>
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