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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Endurance engraving machine]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>reangeorge wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>We care about safety and we ask people where and how they are going to use it...<br />350 mW is also very dangerous. even 10mW is dangerous too...<br />That is why we work on a complete solution as engraving machine that will be fully covered with dark glass.</p></blockquote></div><br /><p>Your Wanhao kit you show in the videos looks pretty open frame. Even your operator is not wearing the provided safety glasses which would protect the eyes, but what about skin? What happens during a workshop tour and somebody reaches into that nearly 3 inch beam path? Where the covers just removed for the video? There should be a barrier from the laser aperture all the way down to the work surface that completely blocks the laser and reflections.</p><p>Is your dark glass UV specific in absorption? Just curious as I would be worried about these things in my shop.</p><p>I have no issues with products as long as they meet minimum safety but the videos you present and even the operator do not show me that need..</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[carl_m1968]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/7731/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-11-04T19:46:17Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Endurance engraving machine]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>We care about product, safety but please do not tell that someone never talked to us.<br />We know what we are doing and we really never sell lasers to people if they are not adequate enough.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[reangeorge]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/12500/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-11-04T19:33:20Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Endurance engraving machine]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>We care about safety and we ask people where and how they are going to use it...<br />350 mW is also very dangerous. even 10mW is dangerous too...<br />That is why we work on a complete solution as engraving machine that will be fully covered with dark glass.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[reangeorge]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/12500/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-11-04T19:30:54Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Endurance engraving machine]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>reangeorge wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>How you do know and why do you care if you want our laser and you want to buy and enjoy engraving.<br />If you care about FDA, then talk to people who make drones and fly them...)</p></blockquote></div><br /><p>I worked in Holography for several years using lasers that make this one look like a pointer. Not to say pointers are not just as dangerous.. But the point is that lasers must meet certain guidelines in the US before they can be sold. If they are above a set wattage then the beam must be fully enclosed and have no possible way for the user to be exposed to the beam or reflections while the laser is energized. If a panel or door is opened then the laser and high voltage supplies are shut down immediately.</p><p>This is the minimum required to legally sell a laser in the US. Look up Arctic Laser, they can no longer ship to the US due to recent laws. They sell high power pointers which their lowest model is 350mw and that cannot even be brought in to the US legally now if it is labeled correctly. </p><p>It&#039;s obvious you don&#039;t care about customer safety by your non nonchalant attitude. But on this forum safety is a big deal and in the US in general safety is fairly standard and adhered to.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[carl_m1968]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/7731/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-11-04T19:20:49Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Endurance engraving machine]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>reangeorge wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>How you do know and why do you care if you want our laser and you want to buy and enjoy engraving.<br />If you care about FDA, then talk to people who make drones and fly them...)</p></blockquote></div><br /><p>That would be the FAA..</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[carl_m1968]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/7731/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-11-04T19:14:30Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>elmoret wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>That is probably because you call it a Class IIIb laser, which it definitely is not as it produces over 500mW.</p></blockquote></div><br /><p>Your not going to get anywhere with these guys Elmoret. They don&#039;t care about regulations as evident by the incorrect class labels the get around customs. They only care about getting your money and have no concern over user safety. They could careless if some body gets burnt or blinded as long as they have their money. The only thing that will get their attention is that if enough knowledgeable people report them to the regulatory commissions and have them investigated..</p><p>I doubt they have even had any sort of inspection done on their facility.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[carl_m1968]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/7731/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-11-04T19:13:38Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I know because I read the FDA guidelines when I purchased a laser engraver a couple years ago.</p><p>I care because what you&#039;re doing is reckless, and an uninformed consumer could end up blinded for life.</p><p>The FDA does not care about drones, that is the job of the FAA. Two very different agencies.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-11-04T19:10:17Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>How you do know and why do you care if you want our laser and you want to buy and enjoy engraving.<br />If you care about FDA, then talk to people who make drones and fly them...)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[reangeorge]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/12500/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-11-04T19:05:17Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Endurance engraving machine]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>That is probably because you call it a Class IIIb laser, which it definitely is not as it produces over 500mW.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-11-04T18:55:16Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>no problems with sending our lasers world wide.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[reangeorge]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/12500/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-11-04T18:46:29Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Endurance engraving machine]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>CO2 lasers pass import checks because they are completely enclosed with no straight line paths for the laser to exit the enclosure, and have interlocks preventing the tube from firing if the enclosure is open.</p><p>As of right now if your product was labeled properly and inspected by a customs agent, it would be seized.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-11-04T18:28:27Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>We are in US and Russia.<br />Never been related to China)</p><p>and also most of CO2 lasers are completely never been certified in the US and still they are sold world wide.<br />Who you blame resellers or FDA?!)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[reangeorge]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/12500/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-11-04T17:41:48Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>In China they dont apply the FDA rules, I guess <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[madfalcon81]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/6822/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-11-04T12:36:45Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Endurance engraving machine]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>we have this disclosure on our web site and we always inform our cstomers that this product is sold as is.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[reangeorge]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/12500/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-11-04T09:12:28Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>elmoret wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>How do you handle the FDA requirement that all laser products in excess of 5mW must be fully enclosed with interlocks?</p><p>Specifically, rule 1040.10(f)(1).</p><p><a href="http://www.fda.gov/downloads/medicaldevices/deviceregulationandguidance/guidancedocuments/ucm095304.pdf">http://www.fda.gov/downloads/medicaldev … 095304.pdf</a></p></blockquote></div><br /><p>It looks pretty wide open to me as in just a power supply and the diode. Guess they leave the enclosure and safety up to the end user which I am pretty sure violates some regulations..</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[carl_m1968]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/7731/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-11-03T19:16:57Z</updated>
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