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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: What are the quality limits of the Davinci?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The davinci is quite capable of becoming a high end printer with mods. It takes time and if you want a hobby then go for it. I replaced a lot of parts with mods.</p><p>New extruder (sits low) - davinci extruder is top heavy and wobbles limiting speed and quality<br />New heated bed -&nbsp; special glass to prevent glass warping<br />New gt2 pulley and gears - better grip and can handle faster speeds - low maintenance<br />Running .092 repetier - better sofware slicer s3d - does an amazing job at preparing models<br />I installed hardened steel shafts on x axis with high quality linear bearings for smoother transitions and speed</p><p>So far I am printing high quality stuff with different filaments not just abs. It&#039;s almost comparable to high end printers.</p><p>Soon I am installing ramps and marlin which will run the machine quiet and less vibrations and faster speeds.</p><p>I want to eventually change the bed design to something more stable. Honestly you can do anything with this printer, you just have to have the motivation.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[barry1685]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/8171/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-09-24T15:25:03Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: What are the quality limits of the Davinci?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Here are some of my test prints and a wood print.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[mozzieblue]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/12019/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-09-24T14:47:25Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: What are the quality limits of the Davinci?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>mozzieblue wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I don&#039;t know about others here but for me the Da Vinci is/was always a steeping stone. It is relatively cheap and a good introduction to 3D printing (if everything works as it should). I intend to upgrade at some point when I reach the limits of the machine tho.</p></blockquote></div><p>I agree entirely.&nbsp; My Davinci took me from spectator to 3D printer owner.&nbsp; I am loving it and starting to explore what these things can do.&nbsp; I assume I&#039;ll use my Davinci for all it&#039;s worth and buy something better once my skills and designs are worthy of better equipment.</p><p>Part of the origin of this topic is the essential question of:&nbsp; As I learn more and do more, when should I upgrade to a nicer printer?</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>mozzieblue wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have printed very nice detailed models, articulated prints, wood and a load of other stuff.</p></blockquote></div><p>My unit hasn&#039;t really had a good track record with detailed models and articulated prints.&nbsp; More of them fail than succeed.&nbsp; However, many of the failures track back to the two slightly damaged components it has -- the hot end, and the warped build plate.&nbsp; (I broke a wire on the original thermistor, and have never been confident the new one was perfectly accurate)</p><p>When the new hotend and the borosilicate glass bed get installed and are working, I am expecting many improvements, but know it will still be &quot;improvable&quot;</p><p>Being that the DaVinci is my first and only printer, it has been challenging to get a handle on what my expectations should be, and whether or not my prints are achieving those expectations.&nbsp; (Let&#039;s face it, current FFF isn&#039;t a Star Trek replicator by any means)&nbsp; My journey to understand the root causes of printing issues has a long way to go.&nbsp; I still wonder whether the limits are my knowledge, my filament, the FFF process, my designs, my slicing software, and/or my printer/slicer settings.&nbsp; Sure I can make test prints and see how they differ from &quot;ideal&quot;, but I&#039;m a long way from knowing how to go from viewing a test print and really knowing why it was imperfect and how to improve it.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[SvdSinner]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/10618/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-09-24T12:08:19Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: What are the quality limits of the Davinci?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t know about others here but for me the Da Vinci is/was always a steeping stone. It is relatively cheap and a good introduction to 3D printing (if everything works as it should). I intend to upgrade at some point when I reach the limits of the machine tho.</p><p>So far I have been impressed with it. Admittedly I am inexperienced with 3D printing but it seems to work just fine if one has some technically knowledge and competence.</p><p>Right out of the box I have done some improvements and a little jiggering and pokering. I have spent zero on these improvements and you can&#039;t get better than that.</p><p>So far, apart from some kinds of filament, I really can&#039;t see what my Da Vinci 1.0a can&#039;t do that a much higher priced printer can.<br />I have printed very nice detailed models, articulated prints, wood and a load of other stuff. For £400 for what it is I don&#039;t think the novice who knows little can get better (again, assuming it all works)</p><p>I will buy a printer that is a little more robust and that can print nylon and flexible filaments at some point but until them the Da Vinci does me fine (you watch now I have said all that it will explode or something).</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[mozzieblue]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/12019/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-09-24T10:52:09Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: What are the quality limits of the Davinci?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The printers will cost what the market will bear.&nbsp; The Da Vinci is cheap because the company is trying to get its foot into the market.&nbsp; It also benefits from its parent company&#039;s resources and manufacturing capability.&nbsp; I know the reprap &quot;purists&quot; hate the Da Vinci, but I think they&#039;re going to be a large player in the years to come.&nbsp; It has the resources that most other reprap companies do not have and it can afford to sell these printers at a low margin in exchange for market share.&nbsp; Right now its software sucks and the printers themselves have a few shortcomings.&nbsp; But these are things that the can improve and have been improving as the products mature.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[evanalmighty]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/8801/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-09-23T19:09:17Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: What are the quality limits of the Davinci?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I think with the right mods the printer can print as good as these other big name brands. To be honest I&#039;m still trying to figure out why some of these printers cost so much, are you paying for the name or the printer. You can build a printer from scratch put everything you want in it and still come out cheaper then some of these brands.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[kev0175]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/9677/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-09-23T16:19:20Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: What are the quality limits of the Davinci?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>SvdSinner wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I&#039;m getting ready to do another round of mods to my Davinci to fix a couple of my unit&#039;s worst weaknesses.&nbsp; (New E3D V6 hot end to allow wide range of filament types and a new flat glass hotbed to replace the warped original that caused all sorts of issues.)</p><p>I&#039;m curious: for those of us willing to upgrade parts, run custom firmware, etc. what is the limit a Davinci 1.0 can print at?&nbsp; (Let&#039;s limit mods to keeping the majority of the electronics and drive axis components.&nbsp; Firmware, bed, bushings, extruder, filament holders are all fair game to mod, plus tuning things like tightening up the belts and pulleys.)</p><p>Some obvious limits:<br /></p><ul><li><p>Build area can&#039;t be expanded, so 200x200x200 is a limitation.</p></li><li><p>Limited to one extruder.&nbsp; (Unless you bought the 2.0)</p></li><li><p>Inherent FFF limitations like supports and shrinkage </p></li></ul><p>What other limits does a modded DaVinci have?&nbsp; What would be a reasonable limit to print quality, etc. to aspire to attain?&nbsp; What pro-printer features are not realistically attainable?&nbsp; Could it print as well as a big-name single extruder printer with a similar build area?</p></blockquote></div><br /><p>Most of the wiring on the moving sections is garbage and will break. So you may want to build your own X axis harness with some more flexible wire. When I had mine I was considering using USB cable.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[carl_m1968]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/7731/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-09-23T02:12:53Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[What are the quality limits of the Davinci?]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://www.soliforum.com/post/106018/#p106018" />
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m getting ready to do another round of mods to my Davinci to fix a couple of my unit&#039;s worst weaknesses.&nbsp; (New E3D V6 hot end to allow wide range of filament types and a new flat glass hotbed to replace the warped original that caused all sorts of issues.)</p><p>I&#039;m curious: for those of us willing to upgrade parts, run custom firmware, etc. what is the limit a Davinci 1.0 can print at?&nbsp; (Let&#039;s limit mods to keeping the majority of the electronics and drive axis components.&nbsp; Firmware, bed, bushings, extruder, filament holders are all fair game to mod, plus tuning things like tightening up the belts and pulleys.)</p><p>Some obvious limits:<br /></p><ul><li><p>Build area can&#039;t be expanded, so 200x200x200 is a limitation.</p></li><li><p>Limited to one extruder.&nbsp; (Unless you bought the 2.0)</p></li><li><p>Inherent FFF limitations like supports and shrinkage </p></li></ul><p>What other limits does a modded DaVinci have?&nbsp; What would be a reasonable limit to print quality, etc. to aspire to attain?&nbsp; What pro-printer features are not realistically attainable?&nbsp; Could it print as well as a big-name single extruder printer with a similar build area?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[SvdSinner]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/10618/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-09-23T02:07:41Z</updated>
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