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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Dual Input Switching hot end]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>pirvan wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>jagowilson wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>How fast can you print with ballscrew axes like that? Seems like you&#039;d need more rotations than you can provide for speeds like 200mm/s, assuming those are &gt;1000 steps/mm.</p></blockquote></div><p>I don&#039;t really remember, but I think this was covered at one time or another in the original thread.</p><p>Anyway, I don&#039;t plan on printing at 200mm/sec, more like 70-80m/sec.&nbsp; The ball screws have a 5mm/rotation travel, so that makes it about 6-8 times slower than a belt, but the motors should still be able to drive these at 80-100mm/s</p></blockquote></div><p>Anytime I see this printer , I get excited. Please let us know about the status of the project.<br />I may also start a project like that but my limited budget might be a problem.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[osmanharac]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/8264/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-10-12T12:24:40Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Dual Input Switching hot end]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>My calculation says Pirvan&#039;s ballscrew system will be capable of applying more force to the carriage than a typical belt driven printer at 100mm/s, taking into account the torque reduction of a typical motor. About 2-3x more force. <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>But you *have* to use at least 24V (preferably 36V), or the motors won&#039;t make it to this speed. Typically a NEMA17 tops out at 900-1000RPM on 12V, and for a 5mm pitch screw 100mm/s = 1200RPM.</p><p>Top speed could be anything upwards of 150mm, this would depend significantly on the exact motors and friction so not going to call it until he&#039;s built it. <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[grob]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/4515/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-09-22T22:35:18Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Dual Input Switching hot end]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jagowilson wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>How fast can you print with ballscrew axes like that? Seems like you&#039;d need more rotations than you can provide for speeds like 200mm/s, assuming those are &gt;1000 steps/mm.</p></blockquote></div><p>I don&#039;t really remember, but I think this was covered at one time or another in the original thread.</p><p>Anyway, I don&#039;t plan on printing at 200mm/sec, more like 70-80m/sec.&nbsp; The ball screws have a 5mm/rotation travel, so that makes it about 6-8 times slower than a belt, but the motors should still be able to drive these at 80-100mm/s</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pirvan]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1357/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-09-22T19:39:32Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Dual Input Switching hot end]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>How fast can you print with ballscrew axes like that? Seems like you&#039;d need more rotations than you can provide for speeds like 200mm/s, assuming those are &gt;1000 steps/mm.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jagowilson]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/7321/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-09-22T16:58:22Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Dual Input Switching hot end]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>You know what... I couldn&#039;t even remember myself, I had to go back and look.&nbsp; &nbsp;The print area is 10&quot; x 10&quot;.&nbsp; Total vertical lift will depend on the printhead design, but about 10&quot;, maybe a bit more.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pirvan]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1357/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-09-22T16:26:31Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Dual Input Switching hot end]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Pretty sweet!&nbsp; What is the build area?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[IronMan]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/131/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-09-22T15:34:05Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Dual Input Switching hot end]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I need to do a few simulations and see what the output looks like.</p><p>I&#039;m really considering this for my next printer build, which has been sitting in a box ready for assembly for over a year.</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&amp;item=9190" alt="http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&amp;amp;item=9190" /></span></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pirvan]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1357/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-09-22T14:14:22Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Dual Input Switching hot end]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>elmoret wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>That&#039;s up to the slicer, the hotend doesn&#039;t care.</p></blockquote></div><p>Yes, ultimately it is up to the gcode generated; with a designator for each extruder motor (T0 or T1) on either a particular layer or portion of a layer.&nbsp; When I say &quot;portion&quot;, the switch could occur within a layer if you selected Ext 1 for Perimeters and Ext 2 for Infill.&nbsp; If you combine multiple STL files within Slic3r and then slice, then each of those could be assigned Ext 1 and 2...again depends on your slicer settings.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[IronMan]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/131/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-09-22T13:41:33Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Dual Input Switching hot end]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>pirvan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Instead of using that firmware &quot;redirection&quot; couldn&#039;t you simply wire the thermistor to both the pads (E0 &amp; E1)?&nbsp; Also you could leave the heater pads empty.&nbsp; I don&#039;t think the firmware can detect the lack of resistance, so it would think it&#039;s working as long as it gets a signal from the thermistor.</p></blockquote></div><p>No, bcause then you&#039;d effectively have two balancing resistors in parallel. You&#039;d need to come up with a new thermistor table. </p><div class="quotebox"><cite>pirvan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I noticed you were printing a skirt as a means to waste the blended color filament.&nbsp; The problem I see with that, is that on a small model you might not waste enough mixed color filament out, whereas on a larger model you might waste too much.&nbsp; Why not figure out how much filament extrusion is needed to get rid of the mix and get a pure color, then create a &quot;waste tower&quot;, a hollow cylinder or rectangular pillar that prints enough perimeters to account for the needed extrusion length.&nbsp; You could add that tower to all your prints and simply scale it vertically to match the height of whatever model you&#039;re printing.</p></blockquote></div><p>A purge tower is what E3D does in their blog post introducing the Cyclops. </p><div class="quotebox"><cite>pirvan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Another question.&nbsp; in a given layer, does it print everything in one color then switches to the other, or does it alternate back and forth between the colors?&nbsp; The waste tower does NOT make sense if it does the latter.</p></blockquote></div><p>That&#039;s up to the slicer, the hotend doesn&#039;t care.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-09-22T13:27:01Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Dual Input Switching hot end]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>A quick answer to the thermistor/heater question is,,,, it either didn&#039;t work or I didn&#039;t like how it worked.&nbsp; That doesn&#039;t mean you shouldn&#039;t try it and see.&nbsp; As far as the skirt, that is just how I did it at that time.&nbsp; Purge tower works well once you get the correct size figured out.&nbsp; You can design in when each extruder prints or you can switch it manually mid print.&nbsp; The only thing you need to be careful of is too much retraction, allowing filament to push through from the other side.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[wardjr]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/2291/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-09-22T12:29:44Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Dual Input Switching hot end]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>So I looked at your post on the Cyclops and I have a few questions:</p><p>Instead of using that firmware &quot;redirection&quot; couldn&#039;t you simply wire the thermistor to both the pads (E0 &amp; E1)?&nbsp; Also you could leave the heater pads empty.&nbsp; I don&#039;t think the firmware can detect the lack of resistance, so it would think it&#039;s working as long as it gets a signal from the thermistor.</p><p>Alternately, you could drill holes into the opposite side of the heater block for the heater cartridge and the thermistor, effectively creating a &quot;redundant&quot; system.</p><p>I noticed you were printing a skirt as a means to waste the blended color filament.&nbsp; The problem I see with that, is that on a small model you might not waste enough mixed color filament out, whereas on a larger model you might waste too much.&nbsp; Why not figure out how much filament extrusion is needed to get rid of the mix and get a pure color, then create a &quot;waste tower&quot;, a hollow cylinder or rectangular pillar that prints enough perimeters to account for the needed extrusion length.&nbsp; You could add that tower to all your prints and simply scale it vertically to match the height of whatever model you&#039;re printing.</p><p>Another question.&nbsp; in a given layer, does it print everything in one color then switches to the other, or does it alternate back and forth between the colors?&nbsp; The waste tower does NOT make sense if it does the latter.</p><p>Anyway, I do like the idea of the single output and alternating feeds, no wasted build area.&nbsp; Primarily I&#039;d like to get it so I can print PVA, but I&#039;m sure I would print in dual colors as well.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pirvan]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1357/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-09-22T06:30:56Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Dual Input Switching hot end]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Are you talking about the Cyclops?&nbsp; The hardest thing is to decide how to handle only using one heater and one thermistor.&nbsp; You should have no issues figuring out how to manipulate the firmware.&nbsp; You just need to decide how you want convince it that there is two heat cartridges and two thermistors since that is what it is expecting.&nbsp; I covered this on the multi-extrusion section but if you have more questions just let me know.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[wardjr]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/2291/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-09-21T15:04:29Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Dual Input Switching hot end]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone considered, or have any information on the Dual input Switching hot ends?</p><p>Sounds very interesting, kinda like the best of both worlds.&nbsp; The question is what kind of changes do we need to make in the firmware.&nbsp; I&#039;m currently running a RAMPS board, so dual extruders are a definite option.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pirvan]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1357/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-09-19T18:07:31Z</updated>
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