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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: 3d Stepper Motors NOT Moving, just vibrating?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hello Everyone,</p><p>This is a final update on &quot;3d Stepper Motors NOT Moving, just vibrating?&quot;.</p><p>I would like to first give a special THANK YOU to all members for your input, it was greatly appreciated. </p><p>A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO wardjr (<a href="http://www.soliforum.com/user/2291/">http://www.soliforum.com/user/2291/</a>), grob (<a href="http://www.soliforum.com/user/4515/">http://www.soliforum.com/user/4515/</a>), elmeret (<a href="http://www.soliforum.com/user/221/">http://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</a>) without your help I would have not made it this far. Your feedback was invaluable, and I am indebted to you three... Thank you a million times over!!! :-)</p><p>Update:</p><p>1. XYZ Stepper motors - Working perfectly <br />2. Heated Bed - Working (Bed heats and I can control, but not showing on Viki screen)<br />3. Ext1 and Ext2 - (Thermocouples working and I can control, but not showing on Viki screen)<br />4. Ext1 and Ext2 Stepper motor - NOT Working (I cannot get the motors to spin, I have played with configuration files for over 3 weeks, no success YET...) Please reply to this topic here <a href="http://www.soliforum.com/post/105276/#p105276">http://www.soliforum.com/post/105276/#p105276</a></p><p>I have posted new topics for all the remaining issues, if you would like to help you can reply on new created help topics. </p><p>Thank again to all the members for your help. Have a great day:-)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[EMC2 Robo]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/11868/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-09-12T18:54:34Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: 3d Stepper Motors NOT Moving, just vibrating?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#039;t realize that Azteeg board has onboard thermocouple amplifiers, so you can just configure firmware to use them. Nice!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-08-26T19:25:51Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: 3d Stepper Motors NOT Moving, just vibrating?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hello jagowilson,</p><p>Thank you for that link... but unfortunately the link is not working, seems to be broken. <br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Use this tool to calculate steps per mm for X, Y and Z. <a href="http://prusaprinters.org/calculator/">http://prusaprinters.org/calculator/</a></p></blockquote></div><p>But, I will google what you posted, thanks:-)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[EMC2 Robo]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/11868/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-08-26T18:56:38Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: 3d Stepper Motors NOT Moving, just vibrating?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hello everyone, </p><p>I am posting pictures of my build so you can have a better idea of what I am currently working on. </p><p>This is my first build, I am no expert, so all feedback is appreciated.</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?KPANfnZ.jpg" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?KPANfnZ.jpg" /></span><br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?ilP84wq.jpg" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?ilP84wq.jpg" /></span><br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?HEEWSgt.jpg" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?HEEWSgt.jpg" /></span><br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?cNlnXaW.jpg" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?cNlnXaW.jpg" /></span><br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?sKgx8SJ.jpg" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?sKgx8SJ.jpg" /></span><br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?ilDP0Ek.jpg" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?ilDP0Ek.jpg" /></span></p><p>3d Printer specifications:</p><p>2 Extruders<br />Heated bed <br />Azteeg X3 Pro board<br />Viki LCD Screen<br />20T GT2 pulleys<br />X Motor (<a href="http://www.kysanelectronics.com/Products/Detail.php?recordID=8319">http://www.kysanelectronics.com/Product … ordID=8319</a>)<br />YZ Motor (<a href="http://www.kysanelectronics.com/Products/Detail.php?recordID=7850">http://www.kysanelectronics.com/Product … ordID=7850</a>)<br />12Volt 25Amp power supply</p><p>I still have a lot more work ahead of me, but for now I just want begin my first print. </p><p>If anyone has a similar setup, I am interested in your configuration files.</p><p>Thank you for all your feedback.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[EMC2 Robo]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/11868/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-08-26T18:54:07Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/104271/#p104271</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: 3d Stepper Motors NOT Moving, just vibrating?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Use this tool to calculate steps per mm for X, Y and Z. <a href="http://prusaprinters.org/calculator/">http://prusaprinters.org/calculator/</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jagowilson]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/7321/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-08-26T18:53:50Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: 3d Stepper Motors NOT Moving, just vibrating?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hello &quot;grob&quot;,</p><p>In response to your question;</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>For steps-per-mm, I&#039;m pretty sure you&#039;re not supposed to be 80 for everything -&nbsp; How have you calculated these? Is this for 20T GT2 pulleys, 200-step motor and 16x microstepping (for which 80 is correct) on every axis?</p></blockquote></div><p>EMC2 Robo:<br />I have not calculated precisely, this was just an estimate. You are correct on the Pulleys (20T GT2 pulleys), and my X motor (<a href="http://www.kysanelectronics.com/Products/Detail.php?recordID=8319">http://www.kysanelectronics.com/Product … ordID=8319</a>), YZ motor (<a href="http://www.kysanelectronics.com/Products/Detail.php?recordID=7850">http://www.kysanelectronics.com/Product … ordID=7850</a>)</p><p>grob:<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>&quot;grob&quot; What are your axes: x/y are belts, z is screw threads (or also belts?).</p></blockquote></div><p>EMC2 Robo:<br />z is screw threads</p><p>I will play around with the rest and update when I have completed my tests. </p><p>Thank you very much &quot;grob&quot; for passing along your knowledge.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[EMC2 Robo]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/11868/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-08-26T07:23:08Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/104237/#p104237</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: 3d Stepper Motors NOT Moving, just vibrating?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Probably you&#039;ve set the max feedrate in z to be much lower than x/y (which is normal). Even though you might be asking for a fast movement in each axis, it will limit to the max feedrate.</p><p>In your config dump from the OP:</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>#define MAX_FEEDRATE_X 200
#define MAX_FEEDRATE_Y 200
#define MAX_FEEDRATE_Z 2</code></pre></div><p>Note Z is 2 (mm/sec I presume - sorry, not familiar with Repetier Firmware!). I would guess this is limiting your z speed?</p><p>For steps-per-mm, I&#039;m pretty sure you&#039;re not supposed to be 80 for everything -&nbsp; How have you calculated these? Is this for 20T GT2 pulleys, 200-step motor and 16x microstepping (for which 80 is correct) on every axis?</p><p>What are your axes: x/y are belts, z is screw threads (or also belts?).</p><p>For belts: steps_per_mm = steps_per_rev * microstepping / pitch / pulley_tooth_count<br />where:<br />* steps_per_rev is 200 for a 1.8 degree stepper (most common)<br />* pitch is in mm: for MXL belt is 2.032mm or for GT2 2.000mm<br />* microstepping is 16 or 32 normally (depends on the jumper settings for your drivers, and the driver IC!)</p><p>For screws: steps_per_mm = steps_per_rev * microstepping / thread_pitch<br />as above, and where:<br />* thread_pitch is in mm (typically 0.8mm for M5, 1.0 for M6, 1.25 for M8, 25.4/18 for 5/16&quot; UNC)</p><p>For homing, have a play with these:<br /></p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>#define X_HOME_DIR -1
#define Y_HOME_DIR -1
#define Z_HOME_DIR -1</code></pre></div><p>And these:<br /></p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>#define ENDSTOP_PULLUP_X_MIN true
#define ENDSTOP_X_MIN_INVERTING true
#define MIN_HARDWARE_ENDSTOP_X true
#define ENDSTOP_PULLUP_Y_MIN true
#define ENDSTOP_Y_MIN_INVERTING true
#define MIN_HARDWARE_ENDSTOP_Y true
#define ENDSTOP_PULLUP_Z_MIN true
#define ENDSTOP_Z_MIN_INVERTING true
#define MIN_HARDWARE_ENDSTOP_Z true
#define ENDSTOP_PULLUP_X_MAX true
#define ENDSTOP_X_MAX_INVERTING false
#define MAX_HARDWARE_ENDSTOP_X false
#define ENDSTOP_PULLUP_Y_MAX true
#define ENDSTOP_Y_MAX_INVERTING false
#define MAX_HARDWARE_ENDSTOP_Y false
#define ENDSTOP_PULLUP_Z_MAX true
#define ENDSTOP_Z_MAX_INVERTING false
#define MAX_HARDWARE_ENDSTOP_Z false</code></pre></div><p>You want the machine to always home to your endstops, which you have configured currently as MIN for X, Y and Z. The direction I&#039;m not sure but I&#039;d guess was correct. Is it not homing right now?</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[grob]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/4515/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2015-08-26T06:49:45Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/104236/#p104236</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: 3d Stepper Motors NOT Moving, just vibrating?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this is AWESOME... you guys have given me so much valuable information, I am overwhelmed with joy. THANK YOU ALL!!!</p><p>Ok, so update;</p><p>XYZ Stepper motors</p><p>All are up and running. I took your advice &quot;grob&quot; &quot;wardjr&quot;and checking wires ensuring they are in the correct pins, I also have my configuration.h file set correctly (not precise, but motors are moving in the direction I want. I also had to fix some stuff in the pins.h file. I have all drivers working on same current (VREF adjusted to around 75% of driver max capacity). </p><p>Now I am fine tuning.</p><p>Thermocouples still working progress, I will try what &quot;grob&quot; has just posted (thank you &quot;grob&quot;)</p><p>QUESTION:</p><p>Why does my Z motor run significantly slower than my XY motors? </p><p>They are set the same: Example of configuration.h:<br /></p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>#define XAXIS_STEPS_PER_MM 80
#define YAXIS_STEPS_PER_MM 80
#define ZAXIS_STEPS_PER_MM 80</code></pre></div><p>How do I set Homing for XYZ motors? How do I save where my XYZ motors go when I home them? Is it in configuration.h, eprom.h, or any other file?</p><p>Thank you again and I look forward to your responses... have a great day :-)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[EMC2 Robo]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/11868/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-08-26T05:56:35Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/104235/#p104235</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: 3d Stepper Motors NOT Moving, just vibrating?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Omega as always have a great primer on thermocouples if anyone&#039;s curious:<br /><a href="http://www.omega.com/temperature/z/pdf/z021-032.pdf">http://www.omega.com/temperature/z/pdf/z021-032.pdf</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[grob]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/4515/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2015-08-26T04:00:17Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/104230/#p104230</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: 3d Stepper Motors NOT Moving, just vibrating?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Quick look at the Azteeg X3 Pro wiring diagram shows it has two thermocouple inputs built in - EMC2, I can see you&#039;ve got stuff connected to these terminals from your photos, but please ensure you&#039;re using those inputs for the two hot-end thermocouples.</p><p>(Tim, I don&#039;t think he&#039;ll need an external amplifier for this one.)</p><p>I guess those big yellow connectors etc. are kind of not necessary, and depending on what wire is behind them (looks like a mix of shielded TC cable and regular hookup cable - depending on the relative temperature of the TC amp on the X3pro board and the junction between the normal cable and the TC cable it may add some error) - I&#039;d personally just cut them off and terminate the TC wire directly into the screw terminals on the board, but up to you! <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>I found this information about configuring them for Marlin, but it tells you the chip they&#039;re using and the pins so you might be able to work out how to talk to that with Repetier firmware: <a href="http://panucattdevices.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/1000160061-thermocouple-support-for-azteeg-x3-and-x3-pro">http://panucattdevices.freshdesk.com/su … and-x3-pro</a></p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&amp;item=9111&amp;download=0" alt="http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&amp;amp;item=9111&amp;amp;download=0" /></span></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[grob]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/4515/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2015-08-26T03:30:52Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: 3d Stepper Motors NOT Moving, just vibrating?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Because thermistors produce varying resistance, and thermocouples produce varying voltage. You need to use a thermocouple amplifier, and run them to an analog pin (not a thermistor pin which has a balancing resistor tied to +5v).</p><p>This is a thermocouple amplifier:</p><p><a href="http://www.filastruder.com/collections/e3d-spare-parts-and-accessories/products/external-thermocouple-board-v1-0">http://www.filastruder.com/collections/ … board-v1-0</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2015-08-25T21:41:48Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/104199/#p104199</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: 3d Stepper Motors NOT Moving, just vibrating?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hello everyone,</p><p>Thermocouples:</p><p>That is correct... I am using K-type thermocouples and running them to a thermistor input. </p><p>&quot;elmoret&quot; Why do you think </p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>using K-type thermocouples and running them to a thermistor input</p></blockquote></div><p> will not work well?</p><p>I appreciate any feedback:-)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[EMC2 Robo]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/11868/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2015-08-25T21:23:51Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/104198/#p104198</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: 3d Stepper Motors NOT Moving, just vibrating?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>It looks like he&#039;s using K-type thermocouples and running them to a thermistor input, which isn&#039;t going to work too well. <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2015-08-25T20:17:40Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/104191/#p104191</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: 3d Stepper Motors NOT Moving, just vibrating?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>+1. what thermistors are you using?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jagowilson]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/7321/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2015-08-25T20:05:22Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/104190/#p104190</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: 3d Stepper Motors NOT Moving, just vibrating?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Look into the line that says &quot;DEFINE temp sensor&quot; where 1 is listed as the type.&nbsp; I don&#039;t know but would guess that is the incorrect selection.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[wardjr]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/2291/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2015-08-25T13:29:54Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/104167/#p104167</id>
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