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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Getting Started]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all those pointers. I have taken notes. <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> I currently have a clog and don&#039;t have anything the same size or smaller than the filament to push the filament into the hot part so it will come through. Is there a button that extrudes only, or just the down arrow button that feeds new filament in? (By the way my default seems to cool the extruder after all prints without asking).</p><p>Will I need to remove the face of the printer head to push the filament through? (what screws do I untighten to do that?)</p><p>And lastly when I get up and running again is there a way to switch to the high resolution of 0.1mm after the intial layer is put down some all other layers have something they can stick to?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Rocketman]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/783/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-02-15T03:15:21Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Getting Started]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Rocketman wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>&quot;Repetier-Host Solidoodle&quot; is what I am using as software.</p></blockquote></div><p>I&#039;m glad you&#039;re actually getting things working.&nbsp; I&#039;m no expert myself, but here&#039;s a Cliff&#039;s Notes version of beginner things I&#039;ve learned, along with the answer to the above:</p><p>1) NON-MANIFOLD OBJECTS<br />Not all objects, particularly ones posted up on sites like thingiverse are printable as is because they have non-manifold vertices, edges, or faces, and you may occasionally create these yourself.&nbsp; Basically, this means that parts of the object aren&#039;t clearly defined as an outside or inside surface.&nbsp; </p><p>For instance, you can define a cube shaped object with six square polygons, but if there is a tiny hole in one corner, the program can&#039;t mathematically tell what the &quot;inside&quot; is because of the hole and sees six squares of infinitesimal thickness instead.&nbsp; If you try to print it, the slicing program may go nuts or just omit some parts of the object.&nbsp; You can also run into problems if parts of an object share faces or edges so that a face is an outside surface for one part of the object and an inside surface for another part at the same time.</p><p>To fix it, there are tools like MeshMixer that can display non-manifold edges or faces.&nbsp; Once you identify the bad parts, you can try to patch the problems or delete and rebuild the bad sections.</p><p>2) OVERHANGS<br />Since objects are built from the bottom up in FDM printing, overhanging structures can&#039;t typically be printed because the thread has nothing to rest on when extruded.&nbsp; In general, overhangs become problematical if the angle is flatter than 45 degrees.&nbsp; If the overhanging section is short and bridges a gap it can sometimes be supported just by the ends, but this is often not possible.&nbsp; In these cases one either has turn the object upside down to print or turn on the &quot;support&quot; option (in slic3r and skeinforge) which will add scaffolding beneath the overhang that you&#039;ll need to cut off after printing.</p><p>3) BED HEIGHT / LEVELING<br />For an object to stick well to the bed, you want the first layer of filament to be squished down onto the bed, but not so much that the head begins to scrape up the layer it just laid down.&nbsp; This can be adjusted using the z-axis screw on left side of the z-carriage at the back and the three leveling screws.&nbsp; This doesn&#039;t need to be done by fine measurement, but just by printing one layer of a big box and seeing if the filament looks evenly squished onto the bed for the full range of motion.&nbsp; You typically only need to do this once or if the machine has been jostled around (such as in shipping).</p><p>4) BRIM/RAFT<br />If an object doesn&#039;t have enough surface area at the bottom to properly stick to the bed, one option is to turn on a raft (skeinforge) or brim (slic3r), which adds a layer of material at the bottom of the bed so that there is more to stick to.&nbsp; A raft is a grid of overlapping lines, while a brim is a specified width of extra perimeters (in mm) to add around the first layer.&nbsp; A brim can also help the bottom layer from curling up.</p><p>5) IN-MODEL SUPPORT<br />For extremely &quot;tippy&quot; models or ones sharp or rounded at the bottom, you may need to add your own thin fins or supports that are designed to be cut away after printing.</p><p>6) CURLING<br />To minimize curling the bed and print area needs to be kept warm to prevent a temperature differential from cooling the print unevenly.&nbsp; A plexiglass or cardboard enclosure works well and even better than the standard metal case in this regard.</p><p>7) PRINTING MULTIPLE OBJECTS <br />I&#039;ve personally found that printing multiple objects greatly increases the odds of a print breaking loose, as the print head can hit the print surface when it moves between objects.&nbsp; For instance if you print one cylinder, the head always stays within the perimeter of the cylinder so it cannot ever catch an outside edge.&nbsp; If you print two cylinders, however, it constantly has to transition between the inside and outside of each cylinder and has a chance of catching an edge each time.&nbsp; I think some slicers may have settings that will retract the head between moves, but I&#039;ve not tried them.</p><p>8) SLICING APP PROFILES<br />Slicing apps like Skeinforge and Slic3r (I believe repetier-host uses slic3r and pronterface uses skeinforge by default) can save sets of settings known as &quot;Profiles&quot;.&nbsp; There are two separate official Solidoodle profiles for printing .1mm and .3mm layers in Slic3r.&nbsp; These are tested to be calibrated for the Solidoodle and a particular width filament, and should work pretty well as is.&nbsp; Changing settings in a profile can be useful to fine tune a print, but you can also easily make it unworkable, and not all settings (like layer height) can be safely adjusted on their own independently of the other settings, since things like feed rate, flow rate, layer height, nozzle diameter, thread width, and filament diameter are interdependent.</p><p>9) NOZZLE CLOGS<br />Don&#039;t leave nozzle at full temperature for more than 10 minutes if you are not printing.&nbsp; They really ought to put a warning sticker on the print head for this, as it&#039;s easy to accidentally do this while waiting for the bed to warm up (which can take 20 minutes) or after you finish printing.&nbsp; If you do, ABS can burn inside and clog the nozzle.&nbsp; If you want to keep the nozzle warm, keep it at no more than 80 degrees C.&nbsp; </p><p>To prevent this, I modified the start GCODE in slic3r to preheat the nozzle to 80 and then to full temperature only after the bed has warmed up.&nbsp; I also modified the end CGODE to turn off both heaters after a print is done so I can safely print unattended.&nbsp; Others have done similar custom GCODE.&nbsp; Again, something that should probably be in the standard profiles just for safety but not hard to add.</p><p>Hope this helps.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[tealvince]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/676/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-02-14T05:17:01Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Getting Started]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Manx wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>well you can do that in the software you would have to create anew profile under slicer3</p></blockquote></div><p>A new profile? What is that?</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Rocketman]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/783/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-02-14T03:51:35Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Getting Started]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>tealvince wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Rocketman wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I successfully printed my cylinder shaped model. I had to adjust the resolution from the default to the lower 0.03mm resolution to make it work. What adjustments would I need to make to make the higher resolution work properly? Also how do I modify files so the printer software recognizes them? I had a model of a flat snowflake that the printer didn&#039;t seem to want to work with. I pressed run job and it fiddled around a bit extruding nothing and a few seconds later said the job was done.</p></blockquote></div><p>ah.&nbsp; If you were using skeinforge that was probably the problem.&nbsp; The default settings are for .3 mm and you cannot change to .1 mm without scaling down all the flow values by a factor of 3 to match.&nbsp; Otherwise the printer will overextrude and the extra plastic will catch on the head and rip the print.&nbsp; Switch to slic3r instead.&nbsp; It has an official .1mm profile and also does a lot of the feed/flow conversions for you so the values you adjust are independent of each other.</p></blockquote></div><p>&quot;Repetier-Host Solidoodle&quot; is what I am using as software.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Rocketman]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/783/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-02-14T03:50:33Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Getting Started]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>well you can do that in the software you would have to create anew profile under slicer3</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Manx]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/168/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-02-14T02:36:45Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Getting Started]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Manx wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>ah well i did 4 months worth of research before i decided on gettignaprinter so knew it wasapossability just liek anything that goes through the ups. Also from experience as a kid i realised the fact that soem assebly is always required lol</p></blockquote></div><p>Well this isn&#039;t assembly which I am thankful for. This is calibration which I am underqualified when talking about measurements as fine as 0.1mm or smaller. lol. Anyway, does anyone have any suggestions for printing objects that are spherical or that are otherwise very small at the bottom and heavy and broad at top or middle? Is there a button I&#039;d use to create a mini scafold? lol. It seems to have trouble within the first 3 seconds.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Rocketman]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/783/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-02-14T02:17:08Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Getting Started]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Rocketman wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I successfully printed my cylinder shaped model. I had to adjust the resolution from the default to the lower 0.03mm resolution to make it work. What adjustments would I need to make to make the higher resolution work properly? Also how do I modify files so the printer software recognizes them? I had a model of a flat snowflake that the printer didn&#039;t seem to want to work with. I pressed run job and it fiddled around a bit extruding nothing and a few seconds later said the job was done.</p></blockquote></div><p>ah.&nbsp; If you were using skeinforge that was probably the problem.&nbsp; The default settings are for .3 mm and you cannot change to .1 mm without scaling down all the flow values by a factor of 3 to match.&nbsp; Otherwise the printer will overextrude and the extra plastic will catch on the head and rip the print.&nbsp; Switch to slic3r instead.&nbsp; It has an official .1mm profile and also does a lot of the feed/flow conversions for you so the values you adjust are independent of each other.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[tealvince]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/676/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2013-02-14T01:06:07Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Getting Started]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>ah well i did 4 months worth of research before i decided on gettignaprinter so knew it wasapossability just liek anything that goes through the ups. Also from experience as a kid i realised the fact that soem assebly is always required lol</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Manx]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/168/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2013-02-13T23:23:42Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Getting Started]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Manx wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Rocketman wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>My point was never that someone should be able to get more at a lower price. My point was it is advertised as being functional right out of the box. Even if the resolution completely sucked it would have been nice if I realized how much maintanence it might require. Traditional printers require just about no adjustment, which is kind of what I was expecting other than what the software allows me to do.</p></blockquote></div><p>My point wasn&#039;t that either rocket man my point was about tools and learnign the materials. And the fact that this isn&#039;t a plug and play type technology. I know i&#039;m gonna kick myself but how much research did you do into 3d pritners before you ordered?</p></blockquote></div><p>I was looking at a few different models. Nothing really mentioned adjusting platforms and stuff that needed to be done due to the rocky ride of shipment.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Rocketman]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/783/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2013-02-13T23:19:46Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/12756/#p12756</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Getting Started]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I successfully printed my cylinder shaped model. I had to adjust the resolution from the default to the lower 0.03mm resolution to make it work. What adjustments would I need to make to make the higher resolution work properly? Also how do I modify files so the printer software recognizes them? I had a model of a flat snowflake that the printer didn&#039;t seem to want to work with. I pressed run job and it fiddled around a bit extruding nothing and a few seconds later said the job was done.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Rocketman]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/783/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2013-02-13T23:18:07Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/12754/#p12754</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Getting Started]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Rocketman wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>My point was never that someone should be able to get more at a lower price. My point was it is advertised as being functional right out of the box. Even if the resolution completely sucked it would have been nice if I realized how much maintanence it might require. Traditional printers require just about no adjustment, which is kind of what I was expecting other than what the software allows me to do.</p></blockquote></div><p>My point wasn&#039;t that either rocket man my point was about tools and learnign the materials. And the fact that this isn&#039;t a plug and play type technology. I know i&#039;m gonna kick myself but how much research did you do into 3d pritners before you ordered?</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Manx]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/168/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2013-02-13T23:16:50Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Getting Started]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Manx wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have a background in the arts Rocketman. and i bought the solidoodle with 2 things in mind 1 learn the technology and 2 make art possably use the models i can create to do sculptures in bronze but ultimately to figure out the limits of the technology. </p><p>However that being said there is an old magim that paralels what others have said. Whenyou get into a hobby or a buisiness proposition. you have to plan on getting the best equipment you can afford. I looked at the stratasys system at about 12000 as an outright purchase. for approximately the same size work i would get with the sd2 and with about the same size as the sd3. Looking at my money and options i deliberately chose this route. let me carry this argument further</p><p>the alalogy of the paint brush is a good example:</p><p>a 1 dollar paint brush is going to cost you in other ways the bristles will begin to fall out after a very short while its cheaply made. There have been very rare exceptions I can think of where i have gotten very lucky with a cheap brush and howthe hell they let a kolinski sable brush get marked at 10 cents i&#039;ll never know.</p><p>but a more expensive brush like say a kolinski sable is going to have better quality hair (the kolinski sable to infact) than a 10 cent horse hair brush. its going to have better glue and be lamped in better with a beter quality ferule and better quality wood handle etc and it will last as much as 20-30 years with proper care and handling. and you won&#039;t have to shave your paintings</p><p>Just with eh above alalogy the sd is a fantastic bargain. it has a solid frame unlike msot of the kits outhere its well assemsbled but its goign to take work to learn how best to use the material just like an artist has to learn his materials. But if yous tart with the best materials you can as you learn or move up to better systems you will have alot less to unlearn. I&#039;ve already used what i&#039;ve learned with the weeki&#039;v ehad the printer to come up with better ideas on designing parts.</p><p>again i can put word out to the defcad people if you want i think there are atleast 3 who would be interested but its up to you</p></blockquote></div><p>My point was never that someone should be able to get more at a lower price. My point was it is advertised as being functional right out of the box. Even if the resolution completely sucked it would have been nice if I realized how much maintanence it might require. Traditional printers require just about no adjustment, which is kind of what I was expecting other than what the software allows me to do.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Rocketman]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/783/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2013-02-13T23:12:12Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Getting Started]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I can second what they have been saying.&nbsp; 3d printing is not for the masses or non-technical people who cant use tools.&nbsp; No matter which FDM printer you buy you will need to worry sbout the same things, calibration, filament, clogged nozzles.&nbsp; Shapeways on others use a different type of printer, usually powder based, then fused with a laser.</p><p>The SD line is very cheap, especially for being assembled.&nbsp; The other sub $1,100 ones usually require 6+ hours building, then a few more squaring and calibrating.&nbsp; After that is done, you&#039;ll have the same problems as with the SD.</p><p>3d printing is still a hobbyists activity and will be until your complaints are addressed.&nbsp; Calibrations and all that other stuff will have to be done without or with very little input from the end user, like regular paper printers ended up being.&nbsp; Think of current 3d printers at the same place early dot matrix printers where.&nbsp; Had to adjust head for paper thickness, etc.&nbsp; Fixed those issues &amp; made them cheaper and more people got them.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[lotw_1]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/690/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2013-02-13T22:48:20Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Getting Started]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>tealvince wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> - its own depth gauge and a servos so it could automatically recalibrate the z-axis and level the bed before each print (to insure first layer sticking).</p></blockquote></div><p>$100/unit part cost + R&amp;D</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>tealvince wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> - a climate controlled the build environment with air-temperature sensors and separate heaters and vent fans (to prevent curling and enhance sticking).</p></blockquote></div><p>$50/unit part cost + R&amp;D</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>tealvince wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> - sensors to measure the true width of incoming filament so the software could dynamically adjust the flow rate for variations in thickness and detect when filament was slipping or jammed (to prevent head from snagging on the print due to over-extruding).</p></blockquote></div><p>$50/unit part cost + R&amp;D</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>tealvince wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> - firmware to turn down extruder heat when not extruding for more than 10 minutes or automatically extrude filament to the side (to prevent ABS from burning and clogging in the nozzle)</p></blockquote></div><p>Free, kinda surprised this doesn&#039;t exist.</p><p>But the rest would be $200 plus some engineering, maybe $20k spread over 2k units, so $10 each. Would people pay $210 more? Maybe, maybe not.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2013-02-13T22:46:56Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Getting Started]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I have a background in the arts Rocketman. and i bought the solidoodle with 2 things in mind 1 learn the technology and 2 make art possably use the models i can create to do sculptures in bronze but ultimately to figure out the limits of the technology. </p><p>However that being said there is an old magim that paralels what others have said. Whenyou get into a hobby or a buisiness proposition. you have to plan on getting the best equipment you can afford. I looked at the stratasys system at about 12000 as an outright purchase. for approximately the same size work i would get with the sd2 and with about the same size as the sd3. Looking at my money and options i deliberately chose this route. let me carry this argument further</p><p>the alalogy of the paint brush is a good example:</p><p>a 1 dollar paint brush is going to cost you in other ways the bristles will begin to fall out after a very short while its cheaply made. There have been very rare exceptions I can think of where i have gotten very lucky with a cheap brush and howthe hell they let a kolinski sable brush get marked at 10 cents i&#039;ll never know.</p><p>but a more expensive brush like say a kolinski sable is going to have better quality hair (the kolinski sable to infact) than a 10 cent horse hair brush. its going to have better glue and be lamped in better with a beter quality ferule and better quality wood handle etc and it will last as much as 20-30 years with proper care and handling. and you won&#039;t have to shave your paintings</p><p>Just with eh above alalogy the sd is a fantastic bargain. it has a solid frame unlike msot of the kits outhere its well assemsbled but its goign to take work to learn how best to use the material just like an artist has to learn his materials. But if yous tart with the best materials you can as you learn or move up to better systems you will have alot less to unlearn. I&#039;ve already used what i&#039;ve learned with the weeki&#039;v ehad the printer to come up with better ideas on designing parts.</p><p>again i can put word out to the defcad people if you want i think there are atleast 3 who would be interested but its up to you</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Manx]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/168/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2013-02-13T22:31:46Z</updated>
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