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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if anyone mentioned it yet but those parts do not need support, looks like you have them enabled.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jagowilson]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-08-18T23:47:14Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>DingoThe3rd wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>n2ri wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>use plenty infil on the Lawsy parts too</p></blockquote></div><p>I used 20% and they feel pretty solid, though I think I could snap them if I used all my finger strength to bend them. Should I have used 100%?</p></blockquote></div><p>For anything functional that will be used to do work or support anything, you should use 80% infill minimum.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[carl_m1968]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-08-18T21:08:07Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Yes 100%</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[wardjr]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-08-18T20:15:56Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>n2ri wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>use plenty infil on the Lawsy parts too</p></blockquote></div><p>I used 20% and they feel pretty solid, though I think I could snap them if I used all my finger strength to bend them. Should I have used 100%?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[DingoThe3rd]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-08-18T19:25:20Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>use plenty infil on the Lawsy parts too</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[n2ri]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-08-18T07:30:53Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>.48 is actually correct for a .3 layer height.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[carl_m1968]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/7731/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-08-18T03:43:44Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>grob wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Sounds like you&#039;re in control, good work! Congratulations on that 0.1mm first layer, the glass is probably key. <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>Still curious about the cube though - so when you say &quot;I&#039;m overextruding by 83%&quot;, do you mean you printed a single-wall cube, measured the wall thickness and instead of being the targeted 0.48mm it was (1.83 * 0.48 <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> 0.88mm? That&#039;s a bit wild, and doesn&#039;t seem to be corroborated by your observations of holes in the print or improved results with an increased multiplier... I think the settings you have settled on are likely good, but there&#039;s just something funny in the cal cube print settings / calculations there!</p><p>Re replacement hairspray, look for &quot;extra hold&quot; or similar on the front of the can, and then on the back amongst the ingredients:<br />* Vinyl Acetate/Crotonates Acid/Vinyl Neodecanoate Copolymer (sometimes VA=Vinyl Acetate, sometimes &quot;Acid&quot; missing)<br />* Acrylates Copolymer</p></blockquote></div><p>I did 2 things:<br />First I printed a cube at 0.1mm layer height and told it that the extruded line width had to be 0.35. When it was over I measured the wall I got a reading of .42</p><p>Second I printed a cube at 0.3mm layer height and told it to give me a 0.42 width. I measured it and got 0.48.</p><p>I made a test print of a little dragon fish figure and there were gaps in my lines instead of _____ it was more like ____ ____ every now and then. thats why I supsect humidity in my filament.</p><p>Ive adjusted the flow to 1.03 and have been printing the lawsy mk5 Jig replacement because I cracked my acrylic when I was taking it apart. So far I dont notice any major problems.<br />-<br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?iiztRVb.jpg" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?iiztRVb.jpg" /></span></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[DingoThe3rd]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/11252/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-08-18T03:28:05Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like you&#039;re in control, good work! Congratulations on that 0.1mm first layer, the glass is probably key. <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>Still curious about the cube though - so when you say &quot;I&#039;m overextruding by 83%&quot;, do you mean you printed a single-wall cube, measured the wall thickness and instead of being the targeted 0.48mm it was (1.83 * 0.48 <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> 0.88mm? That&#039;s a bit wild, and doesn&#039;t seem to be corroborated by your observations of holes in the print or improved results with an increased multiplier... I think the settings you have settled on are likely good, but there&#039;s just something funny in the cal cube print settings / calculations there!</p><p>Re replacement hairspray, look for &quot;extra hold&quot; or similar on the front of the can, and then on the back amongst the ingredients:<br />* Vinyl Acetate/Crotonates Acid/Vinyl Neodecanoate Copolymer (sometimes VA=Vinyl Acetate, sometimes &quot;Acid&quot; missing)<br />* Acrylates Copolymer</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[grob]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/4515/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-08-18T01:58:56Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>grob wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>It looks to me like you&#039;re trying to print the first layer too thin (even for 0.1mm!) - I&#039;d highly recommend setting your first layer to 0.2mm for the moment, get that dialed in, and then attempt 0.1mm (it&#039;s quite tricky to get right out of the blue).</p><p>When levelling the bed, the feeler gauge is great - but to get the first layer height right, the only way I&#039;ve succeeded is to then print a skirt / single wall on the bed, peel it off, and measure with calipers - adjusting the z-stop to bring the whole (level) bed up and down until it&#039;s right. And for adhesion, I often aim for my first layer to be a bit under theoretical height too (e.g. 0.20-0.22mm for 0.25mm first layer).</p><p>Note that Z=0 is theoretically nozzle-touching-bed (zero gap), the printer will move to Z=first_layer_height to print the first layer...</p><p>So you&#039;ve done the 100mm extruder calibration? I&#039;d follow this up next with:<br />* Measure actual filament diameter, enter this into slic3r filament settings<br />* Print a single-wall calibration cube, and use the slic3r extrusion multiplier (filament settings again) to achieve the correct wall thickness (as IronMan described).</p><p>Then you can proceed to ensuring that first layer is correct! <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p></blockquote></div><p>I&#039;ve completed my calibrations:<br />I did the 100mm pull, I took 5 readings and input the average as my filament diameter, I re-calibrated my nozzle to bed distance with the next step up on my feeler&nbsp; gauges at .13mm, and I printed my single wall cube.</p><p>All of the calibrations are now perfect except for the cube. According to my readings I&#039;m over extruding by 83% but my surface layers had some holes in them and my walls were really thin so I upped the extrusion multiplier instead. Its currently set to 1.03. I think this might be due to a combination of cheap $5 dollar harbor freight calipers and improperly stored filament. I had it sitting out in the open for a year before I found out that was a really bad way of storing it. I&#039;m in the process of making a container with silica for it.</p><p>After all of this work Ive come to what I think is a relatively good 95% calibration, and I&#039;m printing far more accurately than I ever have before. I was able to get 0.1mm first layer height without messing up every time so far, granted I&#039;ve only done 4 prints since.</p><p>I&#039;m not sure what use a single layer print would have but I agree its not going to be very strong its a little bit thinner than paper and much weaker against tears.</p><p>My bed is currently set up to be a glass plate on top of my original aluminum bed with the kapton still on. Its held on with binder clips which are a horrible pain in the ass and I&#039;m currently working on a clip less adapter for securing the glass. I&#039;m currently using a light mist of Thermasilk heat activated hairspray, but when you mentioned it I realized Im going to run out soon and I discovered they no longer make it. I have to search for a replacement since the heat activation was excellent for the heated bed.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[DingoThe3rd]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-08-18T00:13:23Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>n2ri wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>ultra thin 1 layer prints are near impossible to get even with a glass bed and not very usable either</p></blockquote></div><p>+1<br />Figure most people will want to use the third dimension of their 3d printer a bit though, so never really thought of it as an issue hehe.<br />Get an <a href="http://robots-everywhere.com/re_site/purchase/l-cheapo/">l-cheapo laser module</a> and cut paper instead haha!</p><p>Still, you should be able to achieve a consistent first layer thickness at 0.2mm.</p><p>Just thinking again Dingo - if that photo is the aluminium bed with kapton, you may find trying out a sheet of glass with hairspray straight on top will be better for very thin layers. Let&#039;s see how the 0.2mm goes first though.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[grob]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/4515/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-08-17T06:37:32Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>ultra thin 1 layer prints are near impossible to get even with a glass bed and not very usable either.</p><p>also what type caliper are you using and to measure what? extruded plastic or a depth gauge mounted to extruder?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[n2ri]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/795/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-08-17T06:30:06Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>It looks to me like you&#039;re trying to print the first layer too thin (even for 0.1mm!) - I&#039;d highly recommend setting your first layer to 0.2mm for the moment, get that dialed in, and then attempt 0.1mm (it&#039;s quite tricky to get right out of the blue).</p><p>When levelling the bed, the feeler gauge is great - but to get the first layer height right, the only way I&#039;ve succeeded is to then print a skirt / single wall on the bed, peel it off, and measure with calipers - adjusting the z-stop to bring the whole (level) bed up and down until it&#039;s right. And for adhesion, I often aim for my first layer to be a bit under theoretical height too (e.g. 0.20-0.22mm for 0.25mm first layer).</p><p>Note that Z=0 is theoretically nozzle-touching-bed (zero gap), the printer will move to Z=first_layer_height to print the first layer...</p><p>So you&#039;ve done the 100mm extruder calibration? I&#039;d follow this up next with:<br />* Measure actual filament diameter, enter this into slic3r filament settings<br />* Print a single-wall calibration cube, and use the slic3r extrusion multiplier (filament settings again) to achieve the correct wall thickness (as IronMan described).</p><p>Then you can proceed to ensuring that first layer is correct! <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[grob]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/4515/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-08-17T00:59:54Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>IronMan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Extrusion width has more to do with Nozzle diameter than layer height.</p><p>0.3 layer height is a good standard to calibrate with.&nbsp; The extrusion width should be set as a factor of x1.2 of the nozzle; so for a 0.35 dia. nozzle, the extrusion width settings should be 0.42...a 0.4 dis nozzle would have a setting of 0.48...</p><p>After calibration for the flow rate is completed, then changing the layer heights in Slic3r generally will compensate to keep the extrusion width close to what you need.</p></blockquote></div><p>Perhaps you can help me out. Is this a flow rate problem?</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?gYcQ6Is.jpg" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?gYcQ6Is.jpg" /></span></p><p>I was printing the nickel calibration disk that I found on thingiverse. I have already calibrated my extruder to pull 100mm give or take .5mm. I also bought a feeler gauge and leveled my bed to the nozzle with a distance of .1mm from bed to nozzle.<br />The layer height and first layer height were set to .1mm. I was going to calibrate the flowrate after I confirmed my x and y steps per mm were accurate.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[DingoThe3rd]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-08-16T23:52:32Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Extrusion width has more to do with Nozzle diameter than layer height.</p><p>0.3 layer height is a good standard to calibrate with.&nbsp; The extrusion width should be set as a factor of x1.2 of the nozzle; so for a 0.35 dia. nozzle, the extrusion width settings should be 0.42...a 0.4 dia nozzle would have a setting of 0.48...</p><p>After calibration for the flow rate is completed, then changing the layer heights in Slic3r generally will compensate to keep the extrusion width close to what you need.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[IronMan]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/131/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-08-16T20:03:52Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>IronMan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Try this:<br /><a href="https://solidoodletips.wordpress.com/2012/08/16/setting-the-flow-rate/">https://solidoodletips.wordpress.com/20 … flow-rate/</a></p></blockquote></div><br /><p>This link says .42 is ideal for .3mm layer height. If we are keeping with 1.4:1 ratio does that mean the ideal for .1mm printing is .14?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[DingoThe3rd]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/11252/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-08-16T19:37:35Z</updated>
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