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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Autotuning PID]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>elmoret wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You could move to an E3Dv6, E3D Lite6, pair of either of those, Cyclops, or Chimera... but you&#039;d have to come up with your own mounting solution.</p></blockquote></div><p>Airwolf&#039;s mounting solution was to 3D print their own polycarbonate case that snaps onto the guide rod bearings. I&#039;m sure something similar would work... although I will probably need guidance from some certain other more experienced individuals <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/roll.png" width="15" height="15" alt="roll" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[josh.aeauto]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-07-16T18:59:41Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>josh.aeauto wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>IronMan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>B - how do you print ABS / PLA combinations which would require 2 separate heat settings?</p></blockquote></div><p>That was exactly what I asked them after I bought the printer and realized the nozzles weren&#039;t separately controlled. Their solution is to use &quot;compatible materials&quot;</p></blockquote></div><p>Wow...and last I knew, the TPU / ABS combination they used in their demo video would require around 180/230C respectively...I could be wrong as I never ran TPU, but the EcoFlex I run needs about 180 as well.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[IronMan]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/131/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-07-16T18:58:27Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Autotuning PID]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>josh.aeauto wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I was wanting to go with something non-proprietary because their replacement parts are really expensive. A single replacement .5mm nozzle is $33.</p></blockquote></div><p>You could move to an E3Dv6, E3D Lite6, pair of either of those, Cyclops, or Chimera... but you&#039;d have to come up with your own mounting solution.</p><p>Based on your past mods, I&#039;d say that won&#039;t be a problem for you. <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/221/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-07-16T18:52:53Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I would also switch to a cartridge type heater for the fact those heaters you are&nbsp; using are nothing but high wattage low ohm resistors that reach near red hot temps and burn out easily and are more of a fire hazard.</p><p>Those types of heaters are very old out dated tech from before the 12 and 24 volt cartridges where introduced.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[carl_m1968]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/7731/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-07-16T18:37:31Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Autotuning PID]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>IronMan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>B - how do you print ABS / PLA combinations which would require 2 separate heat settings?</p></blockquote></div><p>That was exactly what I asked them after I bought the printer and realized the nozzles weren&#039;t separately controlled. Their solution is to use &quot;compatible materials&quot;</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[josh.aeauto]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/8708/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-07-16T18:36:35Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Autotuning PID]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>elmoret wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Are they really only using one 24w heater for that huge block? Yikes.</p></blockquote></div><p>I didn&#039;t notice that...one heater for both nozzles?<br />A - not enough power...<br />B - how do you print ABS / PLA combinations which would require 2 separate heat settings?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[IronMan]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/131/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-07-16T18:34:23Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Autotuning PID]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I was wanting to go with something non-proprietary because their replacement parts are really expensive. A single replacement .5mm nozzle is $33</p><br /><div class="quotebox"><cite>elmoret wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Are they really only using one 24w heater for that huge block? Yikes.</p><p>You should be fine drilling and tapping a set screw and using a 40w heater. You could also try wrapping the heater block in high temperature insulation.</p></blockquote></div><p>Yea, and it&#039;s a dual extruder at that - so a single heater for both. <br />Those are some good ideas. I&#039;ll go ahead and place an order for a heater and try to insulate it after I put it in.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[josh.aeauto]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/8708/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-07-16T18:32:47Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the old way was to use a setscrew, but that wasn&#039;t all that much better. The correct way is a clamping style fixture, like E3Dv6&#039;s:</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0239/9287/products/hotend_wired_4web-228x228_1024x1024.jpg?v=1400539013" alt="http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0239/9287/products/hotend_wired_4web-228x228_1024x1024.jpg?v=1400539013" /></span></p><p>Are they really only using one 24w heater for that huge block? Yikes.</p><p>You should be fine drilling and tapping a set screw and using a 40w heater. You could also try wrapping the heater block in high temperature insulation.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[elmoret]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-07-16T18:20:48Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Autotuning PID]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>josh.aeauto wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>IronMan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>It slides easily without loosening any type of screw?&nbsp; If it is not tight, you could be losing some heat transfer...</p></blockquote></div><p>There&#039;s not a screw to be loosened. When I say &quot;fairly easy&quot; i mean applying about a pound of force with a blunt tool. Do you think that could be part of my problem? Seems like a design problem to me.</p></blockquote></div><p>Sounds OK as long as it was not loosey-goosey(tech term).&nbsp; I would have designed it with a hard screw-type clamping feature...</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[IronMan]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-07-16T18:20:39Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Autotuning PID]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>IronMan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>It slides easily without loosening any type of screw?&nbsp; If it is not tight, you could be losing some heat transfer...</p></blockquote></div><p>There&#039;s not a screw to be loosened. When I say &quot;fairly easy&quot; i mean applying about a pound of force with a blunt tool. Do you think that could be part of my problem? Seems like a design problem to me.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[josh.aeauto]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-07-16T18:03:24Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>there ya go. <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> go order the 40w replacement from elmoret&#039;s store - filastruder.com</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[heartless]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/10399/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-07-16T17:55:51Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>josh.aeauto wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>heartless wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The green thing in the circled area is the heater cartridge and should be removable from that block so it can be changed/upgraded fairly easily</p></blockquote></div><p>Ahhhhh, okay, that part does slide faily easy and it is 6mm.</p></blockquote></div><p>It slides easily without loosening any type of screw?&nbsp; If it is not tight, you could be losing some heat transfer...</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[IronMan]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/131/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-07-16T17:53:46Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>From their website:</p><p>&quot;The HD2x comes standard with Airwolf’s new proprietary JR2x dual high temperature hot end&quot;</p><p>One option would be to adapt to a Chimera from Filastruder:</p><p><a href="http://www.filastruder.com/products/chimera-cyclops">http://www.filastruder.com/products/chimera-cyclops</a></p><p>but that would entail a custom mount of your own design and most likely updating your nozzle offset distance.</p><p>If your hot ends are functioning I would stick with trying to replace the cartridge heaters to 40W if they the 6mm diameter as elmoret suggested.</p><p>EDIT: A little late with this..</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[IronMan]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-07-16T17:51:21Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>heartless wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The green thing in the circled area is the heater cartridge and should be removable from that block so it can be changed/upgraded fairly easily</p></blockquote></div><p>Ahhhhh, okay, that part does slide faily easy and it is 6mm.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[josh.aeauto]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/8708/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-07-16T17:46:52Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://soliforum.com/i/?EaujbS0.jpg" alt="http://soliforum.com/i/?EaujbS0.jpg" /></span></p><p>The green thing in the circled area is the heater cartridge and should be removable from that block so it can be changed/upgraded fairly easily</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[heartless]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-07-16T17:42:25Z</updated>
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