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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: First 4(?)mm of object doesn't print right?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>w_smith wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>wardjr wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yeah, for a part like that you want to use a .3 layer there is no benefit to a .1 <br />You want to use the proper z height for those as well.&nbsp; The SD comes with a 5/16&quot; Z rod so you need values that actaully match up to the metric nature of the rest of the system.&nbsp; This is very important and is often over looked.<br />.3=.2963<br />.2=.1976<br />.1=.09878</p></blockquote></div><p>What should the first layer height be for each of those layer heights?</p><p>Thanks!</p></blockquote></div><p>That all depends on preference, I like to run my first layer height at the same height to keep things simple.&nbsp; I then adjust my z end stop to achieve the proper amount of squish on that first layer.&nbsp; I have found that by decreasing the extrusion width of the first layer to something like .36 will greatly improve adhesion.&nbsp; I know others that use a higher first layer height for the same reason but I haven&#039;t found that to be as reliable.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[wardjr]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-03-27T14:36:59Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: First 4(?)mm of object doesn't print right?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>wardjr wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yeah, for a part like that you want to use a .3 layer there is no benefit to a .1 <br />You want to use the proper z height for those as well.&nbsp; The SD comes with a 5/16&quot; Z rod so you need values that actaully match up to the metric nature of the rest of the system.&nbsp; This is very important and is often over looked.<br />.3=.2963<br />.2=.1976<br />.1=.09878</p></blockquote></div><p>What should the first layer height be for each of those layer heights?</p><p>Thanks!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[w_smith]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-03-27T09:07:40Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: First 4(?)mm of object doesn't print right?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Ah OK. Thanks for the rapid reply.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Goshdarnit]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-03-26T12:53:52Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: First 4(?)mm of object doesn't print right?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t know what the Press uses for the Z-rod if it is 5/16 - 18TPI then it would be the same.&nbsp; Given that it is made in China I would guess that it is a metric rod.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[wardjr]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-03-26T12:48:26Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: First 4(?)mm of object doesn't print right?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Are those numbers also correct for the Press?</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2015-03-26T12:44:38Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: First 4(?)mm of object doesn't print right?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>w_smith wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>TickTock wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Don&#039;t touch the Z constant.&nbsp; It *is* moving 1mm when you say 1mm.&nbsp; You are changing the layer height so it moves .2963 *instead* of 0.3000.&nbsp; This is to ensure that the stepper stops at an integer step since the fractional steps are prone to non-linearity. You can see variation from layer to layer if it stops at a different fractional step each layer so using the numbers wardjr provided avoids this error.</p></blockquote></div><p>Ah, now I get it, thanks!</p><p>And do I need to recalibrate the flow rate?</p></blockquote></div><p>NO</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[wardjr]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-03-24T16:57:34Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: First 4(?)mm of object doesn't print right?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>TickTock wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Don&#039;t touch the Z constant.&nbsp; It *is* moving 1mm when you say 1mm.&nbsp; You are changing the layer height so it moves .2963 *instead* of 0.3000.&nbsp; This is to ensure that the stepper stops at an integer step since the fractional steps are prone to non-linearity. You can see variation from layer to layer if it stops at a different fractional step each layer so using the numbers wardjr provided avoids this error.</p></blockquote></div><p>Ah, now I get it, thanks!</p><p>And do I need to recalibrate the flow rate?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[w_smith]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-03-24T16:56:12Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: First 4(?)mm of object doesn't print right?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>TickTock wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Don&#039;t touch the Z constant.&nbsp; It *is* moving 1mm when you say 1mm.&nbsp; You are changing the layer height so it moves .2963 *instead* of 0.3000.&nbsp; This is to ensure that the stepper stops at an integer step since the fractional steps are prone to non-linearity. You can see variation from layer to layer if it stops at a different fractional step each layer so using the numbers wardjr provided avoids this error.</p></blockquote></div><p>Thank You for the explanation I&#039;m on the phone ordering computers sooo....</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2015-03-24T16:40:26Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: First 4(?)mm of object doesn't print right?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Don&#039;t touch the Z constant.&nbsp; It *is* moving 1mm when you say 1mm.&nbsp; You are changing the layer height so it moves .2963 *instead* of 0.3000.&nbsp; This is to ensure that the stepper stops at an integer step since the fractional steps are prone to non-linearity. You can see variation from layer to layer if it stops at a different fractional step each layer so using the numbers wardjr provided avoids this error.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2015-03-24T16:36:37Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: First 4(?)mm of object doesn't print right?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Just use those numbers as your layer height instead of .3 or .2 or .1 <br />all the hard work has been done for you.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[wardjr]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-03-24T16:33:30Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: First 4(?)mm of object doesn't print right?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>wardjr wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yeah, for a part like that you want to use a .3 layer there is no benefit to a .1 <br />You want to use the proper z height for those as well.&nbsp; The SD comes with a 5/16&quot; Z rod so you need values that actaully match up to the metric nature of the rest of the system.&nbsp; This is very important and is often over looked.<br />.3=.2963<br />.2=.1976<br />.1=.09878</p></blockquote></div><p>OK, I&#039;ll switch to 0.3mm layer height when the current print is done.&nbsp; I assume I need to recalibrate flow rate?</p><p>Should I just use those layer heights, or should I calibrate the Z axis and change the M92 constant in the firmware so it&#039;s really moving 1.0000mm when I tell it to move 1.0000mm?</p><p>The Z constant is currently 2268.0 steps per unit, if that means anything</p><p>Does the &#039;modern&#039; (got it in Nov) SD4 have the same problem, or do I not know without calibrating it?&nbsp; What&#039;s the best way to calibrate, tell it to move 100mm and see what it actually does, or use a dial indicator on a 1mm movement?</p><p>Thanks!</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2015-03-24T16:17:33Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: First 4(?)mm of object doesn't print right?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, for a part like that you want to use a .3 layer there is no benefit to a .1 <br />You want to use the proper z height for those as well.&nbsp; The SD comes with a 5/16&quot; Z rod so you need values that actaully match up to the metric nature of the rest of the system.&nbsp; This is very important and is often over looked.<br />.3=.2963<br />.2=.1976<br />.1=.09878</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[wardjr]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/2291/</uri>
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			<updated>2015-03-24T15:08:44Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: First 4(?)mm of object doesn't print right?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>wardjr wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>That is a very close up image so it is difficult to judge things.&nbsp; You may be slightly over extruding but other than that and a few blobs there is no smoking gun here.&nbsp; That area of the print will not affect fit or performance so it is usable as is.<br />That doesn&#039;t make it correct but it sounds like you&#039;re doing everything right.&nbsp; It could just be that particular roll of filament.<br />And as Jago said, go get a cheap thin piece of hardware store glass cut to size for a few bucks.<br />Are you using .2963 for your layer height?</p></blockquote></div><p>Yeah, my kid&#039;s cheap USB microscope starts at 10X, and my iPhone doesn&#039;t do well on closeups.</p><p>My glass is on order.&nbsp; 8*)</p><p>Layer Height is 0.1mm<br />First Layer is 0.35mm</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2015-03-24T12:08:41Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: First 4(?)mm of object doesn't print right?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>That is a very close up image so it is difficult to judge things.&nbsp; You may be slightly over extruding but other than that and a few blobs there is no smoking gun here.&nbsp; That area of the print will not affect fit or performance so it is usable as is.<br />That doesn&#039;t make it correct but it sounds like you&#039;re doing everything right.&nbsp; It could just be that particular roll of filament.<br />And as Jago said, go get a cheap thin piece of hardware store glass cut to size for a few bucks.<br />Are you using .2963 for your layer height?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[wardjr]]></name>
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			<updated>2015-03-23T15:04:47Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jagowilson wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Try a thinner sheet of glass, it can&#039;t hurt. I use cheap $2 glass at the hardware store. Your bed should reach 105. Maybe check the plugs for a good connection and take up the aluminum to make sure there isn&#039;t an air pocket around the bed thermistor.</p></blockquote></div><p>I&#039;ve got some thinner glass on order, so that might help.</p><p>But that kind of distortion doesn&#039;t immediately say &lt;something&gt; specific?&nbsp; Everyone&#039;s thinking bed temperature?</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2015-03-23T14:36:12Z</updated>
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