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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Got it, and it works !]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>bahstrike wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hi Harvey welcome to the club <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /></p><p>I got my printer several weeks ago, so maybe it will be helpful to summarize my first findings.<br />None of this is groundbreaking to veteren users or forum trollers here, but a little 101 never hurts-&nbsp; and I found these tips to be even more important for if you move to Repetier and Slic3r:</p><br /><p>Preparing for a print:</p><p>1)&nbsp; Home everything-&nbsp; eg. raise the bed fully, with the extruder in the far-right corner where it is not overlaying the bed.&nbsp; This way it doesn&#039;t have to home when everything is set to print, and its easy to reach underneath with a pair of tweezers to remove any drooling plastic right before you hit print.</p><br /><p><em>1a - Slic3r only?)&nbsp; If you are using Slic3r and it&#039;s generating this command, remove it (or put a semicolon in front to disable it):<br /></em></p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>M109 S190 ; wait for temperature to be reached</code></pre></div><p><em><br />This way when you hit print, it starts IMMEDIATELY.&nbsp; I had problems with it trying to wait longer, during the meantime plastic is drooling out the tip, and it&#039;s unsafe to try and remove it because you have no idea when the tip will take-off.</em></p><br /><p>2)&nbsp; Turn your heated bed on about 15-20 min in advance.&nbsp; If the target temperature is 90 degrees, give it long enough to get to ~85 minimum..&nbsp; It&#039;s most important for the first layer, so you won&#039;t be easily forgiven if you skimp on this!</p><br /><p>3)&nbsp; Turn your extruder heat ONLY when the bed is nearly at the target temperature-&nbsp; since it heats up in only a couple minutes.&nbsp; Clogs could result if plastic is left cooking in the tip without being extruded for long periods of time.&nbsp; As soon as the extruder reaches temp (I use 190), continue with step 4</p><br /><p>4)&nbsp; Extrude a few mm of plastic (I do 6mm) and remove it with tweezers. This way there is fresh plastic, the tip temp is stabilized, and the tip is clean.</p><br /><p>5)&nbsp; Start the print</p><br /><br /><p>Shutting down a completed print:</p><p>1) Turn off bed and extruder. Turn off motors as well, since stepper motors consume power even when they are not moving.</p><br /><p>2) Wait a minute (or watch till the tip temperature just starts to fall),&nbsp; then extrude a few mm of plastic (I do 6mm) and remove it with tweezers.&nbsp; This helps drive the temperature down quicker towards the glass-transition point so no more plastic will drool out, and thus leaves fresh plastic and a clean tip.&nbsp; Do just one extrusion and/or don&#039;t do it if the tip temp is less than 180.</p><br /><p>3)&nbsp; At this point, I hit disconnect and unplug the printer if I won&#039;t be printing more, or leave it on if I will be-&nbsp; shouldn&#039;t matter a lot since all the major components are disengaged.</p><br /><br /><br /><br /><p>Using Pronterface and Skeinforge, I didn&#039;t really have first-layer sticking or other build quality problems. I think the raft made it work nicely every time, but then again you have the raft to peel off and it leaves quite obvious strips..</p><p>When I went to Repetier and Slic3r, I had first-layer sticking problems.&nbsp; At first, I blamed this on Slic3r&#039;s lack of raft, but avoiding a raft is a desireable thing and therefore the following helped TREMENDOUSLY for me:</p><p>1)&nbsp; Gently wipe down the bed surface with a paper towel and acetone-&nbsp; especially if you have touched it with fingers or if it hasn&#039;t been cleaned since the factory.&nbsp; With power off, naturally</p><br /><p>2)&nbsp; Use the 1a) trick from above to disable the &#039;wait for extruder temp&#039; command.&nbsp; Prior to this I was a) wondering what the hell it was waiting for when I clicked Run,&nbsp; and&nbsp; b) the drooling plastic ended up sticking to the tip and would brush against and dislodge my first layer... ruining the whole print.</p><br /><p>3)&nbsp; Enable Skirt.&nbsp; For some reason, it wouldn&#039;t let me set 1 loop, so I&#039;m using 2 loops.&nbsp; This further helps ensure there is a clean tip with fresh plastic when it starts to lay down the first strand of your actual print.</p><br /><p>4)&nbsp; Configure Slic3r to slow down the first layer, and extrude more plastic for the first layer.&nbsp; Lately I&#039;ve been using 20mm/s first layer speed, and .55mm first layer extrusion width.</p><br /><p>I&#039;m pretty sure #4 was the clincher, for me.&nbsp; I went from not being able to print a damn thing from Slic3r, to needing to firmly crack the part off the bed&nbsp; (perhaps even too firmly).</p></blockquote></div><p>Nice tips!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[solijohn]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/7/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-01-26T17:36:45Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Got it, and it works !]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Let me add to your fine list.</p><p>Used MakerGear hot ends for years.&nbsp; &nbsp;What works best for me and gives fewer clogs is to back out some filament at the end, before a cool down.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Tesla]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/681/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-01-24T13:26:47Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Got it, and it works !]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi Harvey welcome to the club <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /></p><p>I got my printer several weeks ago, so maybe it will be helpful to summarize my first findings.<br />None of this is groundbreaking to veteren users or forum trollers here, but a little 101 never hurts-&nbsp; and I found these tips to be even more important for if you move to Repetier and Slic3r:</p><br /><p>Preparing for a print:</p><p>1)&nbsp; Home everything-&nbsp; eg. raise the bed fully, with the extruder in the far-right corner where it is not overlaying the bed.&nbsp; This way it doesn&#039;t have to home when everything is set to print, and its easy to reach underneath with a pair of tweezers to remove any drooling plastic right before you hit print.</p><br /><p><em>1a - Slic3r only?)&nbsp; If you are using Slic3r and it&#039;s generating this command, remove it (or put a semicolon in front to disable it):<br /></em></p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>M109 S190 ; wait for temperature to be reached</code></pre></div><p><em><br />This way when you hit print, it starts IMMEDIATELY.&nbsp; I had problems with it trying to wait longer, during the meantime plastic is drooling out the tip, and it&#039;s unsafe to try and remove it because you have no idea when the tip will take-off.</em></p><br /><p>2)&nbsp; Turn your heated bed on about 15-20 min in advance.&nbsp; If the target temperature is 90 degrees, give it long enough to get to ~85 minimum..&nbsp; It&#039;s most important for the first layer, so you won&#039;t be easily forgiven if you skimp on this!</p><br /><p>3)&nbsp; Turn your extruder heat ONLY when the bed is nearly at the target temperature-&nbsp; since it heats up in only a couple minutes.&nbsp; Clogs could result if plastic is left cooking in the tip without being extruded for long periods of time.&nbsp; As soon as the extruder reaches temp (I use 190), continue with step 4</p><br /><p>4)&nbsp; Extrude a few mm of plastic (I do 6mm) and remove it with tweezers. This way there is fresh plastic, the tip temp is stabilized, and the tip is clean.</p><br /><p>5)&nbsp; Start the print</p><br /><br /><p>Shutting down a completed print:</p><p>1) Turn off bed and extruder. Turn off motors as well, since stepper motors consume power even when they are not moving.</p><br /><p>2) Wait a minute (or watch till the tip temperature just starts to fall),&nbsp; then extrude a few mm of plastic (I do 6mm) and remove it with tweezers.&nbsp; This helps drive the temperature down quicker towards the glass-transition point so no more plastic will drool out, and thus leaves fresh plastic and a clean tip.&nbsp; Do just one extrusion and/or don&#039;t do it if the tip temp is less than 180.</p><br /><p>3)&nbsp; At this point, I hit disconnect and unplug the printer if I won&#039;t be printing more, or leave it on if I will be-&nbsp; shouldn&#039;t matter a lot since all the major components are disengaged.</p><br /><br /><br /><br /><p>Using Pronterface and Skeinforge, I didn&#039;t really have first-layer sticking or other build quality problems. I think the raft made it work nicely every time, but then again you have the raft to peel off and it leaves quite obvious strips..</p><p>When I went to Repetier and Slic3r, I had first-layer sticking problems.&nbsp; At first, I blamed this on Slic3r&#039;s lack of raft, but avoiding a raft is a desireable thing and therefore the following helped TREMENDOUSLY for me:</p><p>1)&nbsp; Gently wipe down the bed surface with a paper towel and acetone-&nbsp; especially if you have touched it with fingers or if it hasn&#039;t been cleaned since the factory.&nbsp; With power off, naturally</p><br /><p>2)&nbsp; Use the 1a) trick from above to disable the &#039;wait for extruder temp&#039; command.&nbsp; Prior to this I was a) wondering what the hell it was waiting for when I clicked Run,&nbsp; and&nbsp; b) the drooling plastic ended up sticking to the tip and would brush against and dislodge my first layer... ruining the whole print.</p><br /><p>3)&nbsp; Enable Skirt.&nbsp; For some reason, it wouldn&#039;t let me set 1 loop, so I&#039;m using 2 loops.&nbsp; This further helps ensure there is a clean tip with fresh plastic when it starts to lay down the first strand of your actual print.</p><br /><p>4)&nbsp; Configure Slic3r to slow down the first layer, and extrude more plastic for the first layer.&nbsp; Lately I&#039;ve been using 20mm/s first layer speed, and .55mm first layer extrusion width.</p><br /><p>I&#039;m pretty sure #4 was the clincher, for me.&nbsp; I went from not being able to print a damn thing from Slic3r, to needing to firmly crack the part off the bed&nbsp; (perhaps even too firmly).</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[bahstrike]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/180/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-01-24T02:49:25Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/10425/#p10425</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Got it, and it works !]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Harvey wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Thanks for the info about turning the heaters off, I didn&#039;t know (but as I unplugged I guess I&#039;m OK). So once I&#039;ve finished printing, in all cases I must click the &quot;off&quot; button on the right of Heater (I guess I might as well turn the Bed off too).</p><p>Alternatively I can just unplug the whole machine and that&#039;s it (I&#039;ve done it twice now with no issue). Can someone confirm this?</p><p>Also, what happens if there&#039;s a power cut (electricty goes off in the house/town)? I guess nothing happens... it just stops?</p><p>Once the print stopped because the laptop went to sleep, I just unplugged (USB and mains), took the unfinished part out, and started again. Does that sound correct?</p><p>Last, is there a way to move the head/table around without mains plugged in (I do it currently using proterface)?</p><p>Sorry for all these beginner questions... it&#039;s just that it&#039;s only once you&#039;ve got started that you think about these aspects.</p><p>Right now it&#039;s printing a pretty good looking rocket !</p><p>I&#039;ll print my company logo hopefully next!</p></blockquote></div><br /><p>Yes Harvey, It is best to make sure the extruder(hotend) is off unless you are ready to print with it.</p><p>The printer does not have buffer memory to allow prints to be stored on itself and print without a computer connected to it, there are however 3rd party electronics that can be used for this purpose.</p><p>As for unplugging it, if you will not be using the printer for more than a couple of hours I would just unplug it otherwise just make sure the extruder is off.</p><p>To move the head around in X and Y axis without the mains connected just push the (printhead)extruder stepper in the direction you want it to go... careful if it is still hot!!! as for moving the Z axis you must turn the threaded rod(yes the greasy part) if the bed is high enough you can turn it from the stepper coupling <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>Glad to hear you are enjoying printing things!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[ronsii]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/296/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-01-19T15:17:04Z</updated>
			<id>https://www.soliforum.com/post/9884/#p9884</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Got it, and it works !]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info about turning the heaters off, I didn&#039;t know (but as I unplugged I guess I&#039;m OK). So once I&#039;ve finished printing, in all cases I must click the &quot;off&quot; button on the right of Heater (I guess I might as well turn the Bed off too).</p><p>Alternatively I can just unplug the whole machine and that&#039;s it (I&#039;ve done it twice now with no issue). Can someone confirm this?</p><p>Also, what happens if there&#039;s a power cut (electricty goes off in the house/town)? I guess nothing happens... it just stops?</p><p>Once the print stopped because the laptop went to sleep, I just unplugged (USB and mains), took the unfinished part out, and started again. Does that sound correct?</p><p>Last, is there a way to move the head/table around without mains plugged in (I do it currently using proterface)?</p><p>Sorry for all these beginner questions... it&#039;s just that it&#039;s only once you&#039;ve got started that you think about these aspects.</p><p>Right now it&#039;s printing a pretty good looking rocket !</p><p>I&#039;ll print my company logo hopefully next!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Harvey]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/121/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2013-01-19T12:13:57Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Got it, and it works !]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I disconnect, and will add emphasis to nicky comment to turn off extruder (meaning temp) when you&#039;re not printing.&nbsp; If you leave it hot it will cook the ABS and potentially clog your hot end.&nbsp; Many new users fall into this trap so be careful.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[cmetzel]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/78/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2013-01-18T22:26:18Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Got it, and it works !]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Always make sure you turn off your extruder as soon as the print is done. Other then that I just unplug when I am done.. I barely ever disconnect.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[nickythegreek]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/366/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-01-18T22:07:32Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>i can&#039;t tell you harvey i haven&#039;t gotten my printer yet sigh still waitign on the sd3</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Manx]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/168/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-01-18T22:03:54Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Indeed !</p><p>A question now : Is there something special to do after the print. I mean I take my part out, and then what? I just click &quot;reset&quot;, &quot;disconnect&quot; and then unplug SD2 from the mains? That&#039;s what I&#039;ve just done, is that right?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Harvey]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/121/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-01-18T21:56:17Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>harvey a nit pic singular is die or you have apair of dice</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Manx]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/168/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-01-18T21:53:39Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Got it, and it works !]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi, just to say I&#039;ve just received my SD2 (ordered in september) and it&#039;s working right now on printing a dice !</p><p>Only hickup in install/setup was having to set the baud rate to 250000 (I was getting an obscure python unicode error before I did this, thanks to the forum for the help).</p><p>Looking forwards to start fine tunning and printing the real stuff I planned.</p><p>Also, I realise I went mad on the ABS rolls when I ordered (I ordered 5 rolls... that&#039;s enough to setup a business !! I didn&#039;t realise I big they were, 2 would have been plenty)</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Harvey]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/121/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-01-18T21:37:13Z</updated>
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