1 (edited by accusedmonk 2014-12-08 08:38:03)

Topic: GT2, M3 Screw, and Y Direct Drive Conversion

Update 12-8-14:
I have uploaded these files for the direct drive to thingiverse.
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:583132

Well ladies and gentlemen, after finally getting over my fear of tearing my Solidoodle apart, I installed a couple mods.  To be honest the printer actually came from Solidoodle in really awesome quality.  They are getting better in the quality department folks!  I had the batch from Christmas '13.

Now to the goods.  Plenty of you have done the GT2 belt conversion.  I didn't change the X-axis at all yet, I have bigger plans for it with bowden and a redesign of the carriages for a single/dual easily upgradeable system.  I have the GT2 belts and pulleys on the Y axis for now mainly because I only had 2 5mm pulleys, all the rest I have are 8mm.

The Y motor mount, Y Bearings in their pillows, and the Z Nut and coupler.
http://i.imgur.com/Zs9fDwT.jpg

The mount is way overkill, the frame of the doodle actually flexes instead...  Which I guess there could be worse things ha.  I wanted to make use of the adjustable mounting holes.  This is just a familiar shot of the old.

http://i.imgur.com/uUcQ9Jk.jpg

Here is the motor mounted up, am I correct that Nema 14 is used on the X and 17 on the Y?  The documentation I pulled up showed the mounts using M4 screws but M3 is the case here.  Either way, it worked out fine since I modeled it for M4, the smaller fit fine.

http://i.imgur.com/vOA1jwj.jpg

I'm glad I decided to go with the helical coupler.  The 608ZZ bearings are 0.1 MM over spec, which doesn't sound like much but they fall right off the shafts I ordered.  I planned on them being well pressed against the back of the machine but I won't complain with the outcome.  It seems the top of the mount is putting a small degree of angle on how it lines up, where the top of the case is folded over.  I intended on that being clear but I miscalculated some, so I don't have full adjustment from the mount holes unfortunately.

http://i.imgur.com/sVzR2eq.jpg

Almost done here, only had to refit the Z axis and install the belts.  You can see the nut I'm using for the Z, I fully intended it to be on the top.  I didn't account for the extra space taken up by the 8mm shaft, well the 6mm one either to be honest.  I made it way too tall and tried to incorporate a spring setup.  It didn't work at all and locked up on me initially.  A full redesign is my first project for that.  My experience here has given me a way to make it much slimmer and work properly.

That's all so far, any recommendations, ideas, and criticisms are welcome.  I'm printing parts now to check how everything is coming together, I'll put up comparison pictures soon.

Bowden SD3, Rumba, E3D hotend, Mk5 with RtRyder changes, Direct drive Y axis and bearings, GT2 pulleys and braided fishing line, Lawsy linear bearing conversion, M3 Z screw.

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Re: GT2, M3 Screw, and Y Direct Drive Conversion

I was able to keep the Z nut together long enough to print out a much much better replacement.  I wasn't able to mount it as intended and it made the M3 rod arc quite a bit.  I'm about to reprint some cylinders now to see how they look.

http://i.imgur.com/IGT6LFp.jpg

Bowden SD3, Rumba, E3D hotend, Mk5 with RtRyder changes, Direct drive Y axis and bearings, GT2 pulleys and braided fishing line, Lawsy linear bearing conversion, M3 Z screw.

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Off work for a couple days so I'm back to printing.  I had the belt tension off apparently, I heard the binding and could see it in the prints only when it went towards the back left of the printer.  That is fixed now and I have a couple pictures.

Side for the M3 rod upgrade
http://i.imgur.com/10YYKbk.jpg

Front for adjusting the extruder pot for moire
http://i.imgur.com/ss8NaO7.jpg

And the finale, the Y bearings to fix my circles
http://i.imgur.com/GTyJbj5.jpg?1

An older print in green, which doesn't take pictures well, with the new black after mods
http://i.imgur.com/agzGOGb.jpg

Bowden SD3, Rumba, E3D hotend, Mk5 with RtRyder changes, Direct drive Y axis and bearings, GT2 pulleys and braided fishing line, Lawsy linear bearing conversion, M3 Z screw.

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Re: GT2, M3 Screw, and Y Direct Drive Conversion

Just finished doing a largely similar mod to mine... direct drive, but went for a rigid coupler instead of a flexible one, but I'm thinking of going more your way as I've had to relax the motor a bit to get things aligning well. A couple of pics:
http://i.imgur.com/gO7mj3H.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/IWETdtQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/S2yNHjY.jpg

SD3. Mk2b + glass, heated enclosure, GT2 belts, direct drive y shaft, linear bearings, bowden-feed E3D v5 w/ 0.9° stepper
Smoothieboard via Octoprint on RPi

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Re: GT2, M3 Screw, and Y Direct Drive Conversion

Well done with your conversion,  looks very clean! 

I need to put bearings back in the original holes on mine.  I changed the shaft to 8mm so i just took out the sleeves.  The whole back section of sheet metal flexes now instead of the rod. 

I'm going to redesign my motor mount so i can install a bearing after the coupler.  Then I'm going to make a pillow block on the opposite side to regain the rigidity from the sides.

I need to put the indicator to it to make sure there isn't backlash.  My 100 mm xy test comes back to within .05mm.

I'm very happy with it so far!

Bowden SD3, Rumba, E3D hotend, Mk5 with RtRyder changes, Direct drive Y axis and bearings, GT2 pulleys and braided fishing line, Lawsy linear bearing conversion, M3 Z screw.

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Re: GT2, M3 Screw, and Y Direct Drive Conversion

For future reference, you guys should use a spider coupler for a direct drive:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/5mm-x-6mm-Flexi … 27db48e8d7

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Re: GT2, M3 Screw, and Y Direct Drive Conversion

Hazer wrote:

For future reference, you guys should use a spider coupler for a direct drive:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/5mm-x-6mm-Flexi … 27db48e8d7

Also you can look up "lovejoy" if you're going through used stock in the u.s
Also, there is a spider coupler on thingiverse that uses sugru as the rubber smile.

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Yup, was going to go there, but there's a bit of a space restriction... Also, got impatient and the lathe is closer than HK. tongue
Took a while to get the alignment right, but it's now pretty close, and the residual forces will easily be taken up in the flexibility of the frame without doing much to the motor bearings, at least for the meantime.

Now the concept seems to work, I'll be reworking the design to use a coupler as it will make assembly much easier, and I can then share the design on the net (there's a reason it's not up yet!).

SD3. Mk2b + glass, heated enclosure, GT2 belts, direct drive y shaft, linear bearings, bowden-feed E3D v5 w/ 0.9° stepper
Smoothieboard via Octoprint on RPi

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Re: GT2, M3 Screw, and Y Direct Drive Conversion

nice bearing pillow blocks and motor mount grob. and thingaverse on them?

as for metal flex with bearings have you guys thought of using a corner bearing holder that mounts to both flat sides of frame for added stability? seems the 16 gauge metal SD used on these is a tad too thin for all the hardware to remain firm under stress of operation with all the tension in all directions

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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Re: GT2, M3 Screw, and Y Direct Drive Conversion

I had requests for my files to be put up so I have done so:
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:583132

I've updated a couple files to be more aesthetic.

Bowden SD3, Rumba, E3D hotend, Mk5 with RtRyder changes, Direct drive Y axis and bearings, GT2 pulleys and braided fishing line, Lawsy linear bearing conversion, M3 Z screw.

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Re: GT2, M3 Screw, and Y Direct Drive Conversion

Thanks for the files!

SD4 w/ RUMBA, E3D Volcano, all bearings, glass bed

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Re: GT2, M3 Screw, and Y Direct Drive Conversion

No problem, anytime! I was just about to pm you but i see you found them.  I hope it helps you out!

Bowden SD3, Rumba, E3D hotend, Mk5 with RtRyder changes, Direct drive Y axis and bearings, GT2 pulleys and braided fishing line, Lawsy linear bearing conversion, M3 Z screw.

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accusedmonk wrote:

I had requests for my files to be put up so I have done so:
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:583132

I've updated a couple files to be more aesthetic.

Something seems to be wrong with the .stl for the motor bracket. Thingiverse can't seem to preview it and if I download it I can't seem to look at it locally either.

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Re: GT2, M3 Screw, and Y Direct Drive Conversion

I was curious about that myself,  I'll check it out.  Thanks Claghorn!  Of course the most important one doesn't work ha.

Bowden SD3, Rumba, E3D hotend, Mk5 with RtRyder changes, Direct drive Y axis and bearings, GT2 pulleys and braided fishing line, Lawsy linear bearing conversion, M3 Z screw.

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Re: GT2, M3 Screw, and Y Direct Drive Conversion

Motor mount opened and sliced fine for me.  When I first opened it in my viewer it gave some message about ASCII conversion or something like that but it was done before I could read the whole thing.

SD4 w/ RUMBA, E3D Volcano, all bearings, glass bed

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mdrVB6 wrote:

Motor mount opened and sliced fine for me.

Yea, when I open it in meshlab now that I'm at home I can see it, but the STL viewer on my android tablet didn't like it.

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Ah good to hear then, i still won't be home for a while so I'm glad it's OK.

Bowden SD3, Rumba, E3D hotend, Mk5 with RtRyder changes, Direct drive Y axis and bearings, GT2 pulleys and braided fishing line, Lawsy linear bearing conversion, M3 Z screw.

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I think I'm gonna try this mod next . any suggestions ? Anything I should know that isn't already addressed here?

SD3, RAMPS 1.4, Lawsy's carriages modified by me, 2 SSRs, E3D V6, 2 Power supplies, Independent monitoring of both power supplies (amps and volts) also extruder and bed temps, Blue Tooth connectivity, bearings in all axis & rotational points, Y axis direct drive.  Remotely controlled power box on / off . Gecko Tec build plate . Renamed FrankenDoodle

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slimstar2 wrote:

I think I'm gonna try this mod next . any suggestions ? Anything I should know that isn't already addressed here?

Here's everything I did:

http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/har … irect.html

It was actually one of the simpler mods to do even if it does look radical, and had far more benefit for things like accurate circles than pretty much any other mod I've done.

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Wow you certainly know how to make a "How to guide" . Thanks, after looking at your website http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/har … rect.html.  I ordered my parts from McMaster- Carr .  Thanks again  Bill D.

SD3, RAMPS 1.4, Lawsy's carriages modified by me, 2 SSRs, E3D V6, 2 Power supplies, Independent monitoring of both power supplies (amps and volts) also extruder and bed temps, Blue Tooth connectivity, bearings in all axis & rotational points, Y axis direct drive.  Remotely controlled power box on / off . Gecko Tec build plate . Renamed FrankenDoodle